Examples Of Cheating On Logbooks

Where can I find examples of cheating on logbooks? I just read Brett's book (great book....Thanks Brett).....

Where can I find examples of cheating on logbooks? I just read Brett's book (great book....Thanks Brett).....

Nice try, officer....

O.K. Bud A.....maybe I asked that question the wrong way.....There has to be examples of how truckers cheated on log books somewhere.....I'm definitely not a cop......I've been going thru the cdl training here on this site and these logbooks are little confusing....

O.K. Bud A.....maybe I asked that question the wrong way.....There has to be examples of how truckers cheated on log books somewhere.....I'm definitely not a cop......I've been going thru the cdl training here on this site and these logbooks are little confusing....

Sorry, I was just having a little fun after tarping a load of hay!

The more serious answer depends on whether you're running paper logs or e-logs. It's easier to cheat with paper logs. The key is to make sure that when you make the fake log, you have realistic times between destinations. It's an art form. If you want to learn how to do it, talk to someone running paper logs. My brother is quite good at it but he's not on this forum.

Also, I'll say that the whole logging thing is hard to really understand until you're out running in a truck. Sure, you can learn the principles and rules, but when you're running loads over the course of a few weeks, you learn to make decisions based on what your various clocks look like at the time. So for now, I'd focus on learning how the rules work through the course here. After all, you can't break the rules in a smart way until you know what the rules are.

Hopefully this is more helpful.

I'm sure Brett and some others will agree with me on this one. If you want to be good at running outlaw logs, you have to be exceptional at running legal logs. As Bud mentioned, you have to be sure that your times are legitimate, make sure fuel stops stay recorded and also see if your bol is time stamped. I won't go into how I run mine but I've had them scrutinized before and didn't have any issues. Like I said, one of the big keys is to be really good and knowing how to run legal before playing around with moving time.

This is really the kind of conversation you need to have over a long meal, there are so many little nuances to it that it would be impossible to explain in a unilateral post. There would be so many questions and scenarios to run through.

That being said, feel free to PM me and I'll give you my number so we can talk. I like to think that I've become pretty proficient at the art form :)

This is really the kind of conversation you need to have over a long meal, there are so many little nuances to it that it would be impossible to explain in a unilateral post. There would be so many questions and scenarios to run through.

That being said, feel free to PM me and I'll give you my number so we can talk. I like to think that I've become pretty proficient at the art form :)

Persian- Would you comment how the DOT/weigh station in one state can call another state's weigh station and find out when you were in their state- then take the mileage between these two points; and divide miles by hours to find out your speed. So if DOT ends up with 70mph, and speed limit is 65- you just got caught- I would think with multiple DOT violations, BOY WOULD THAT BE BAD. How about the fine?

I have never worked with paper logs. Read Brett's book- I think he wrote about someone carrying 3 log books. (It might not be in Brett's book.)

I tell you DOT guys are not dumb- alot of them aren't anyway. They know ALL the tricks.

In life, I have learned, there's always somebody slicker than you.

You see things all the time mentioned here like if you are at a shipper after your 10 then not starting your clock until loaded or almost loaded. Just little things to save a few minutes here and there.

But that is neither condoned or encouraged. Now in the old days there may have been 2-3 log books in the truck. Gotta remember to hand the officer the correct one.

How does the DOT know your truck? If you have a "pass electronic device"- I can see how that would be in their computer. But if you don't- do they look through the weigh station window and see your DOT number on the side of your truck and enter it in the computer- would also have date and time?

How does the DOT know your truck? If you have a "pass electronic device"- I can see how that would be in their computer. But if you don't- do they look through the weigh station window and see your DOT number on the side of your truck and enter it in the computer- would also have date and time?

They can, but they usually go by DOT number, and (sometimes) base their inspection on the most common violation of that particular company. Example: If the company has an outstanding maintenance record, but multiple log book violations, then you can expect to get level III inspections all the time.

Dave