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Rainy D.'s Comment
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Rick to answer your question....the QC has a "driving off duty" button. However, on the graph it shows as the off duty line. Our QC will allow up to 50/miles or one hour of off duty driving.

Now, had I logged a PTI and drove without hitting the off duty drive button, I would automatically go to on duty drive after five miles. My QC would actually allow me to drive 3 miles and it doesn't matter how fast...it does not trio until the five mike mark.

And as for the log Dept... They say the same as dispatch. They say it is permissible for unloaded trailers and bobtail. I have asked.

Its misinformation from the comonaies and even trainers that can confuse newbies.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Kat's Comment
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Rick to answer your question....the QC has a "driving off duty" button. However, on the graph it shows as the off duty line. Our QC will allow up to 50/miles or one hour of off duty driving.

Now, had I logged a PTI and drove without hitting the off duty drive button, I would automatically go to on duty drive after five miles. My QC would actually allow me to drive 3 miles and it doesn't matter how fast...it does not trio until the five mike mark.

And as for the log Dept... They say the same as dispatch. They say it is permissible for unloaded trailers and bobtail. I have asked.

Its misinformation from the comonaies and even trainers that can confuse newbies.

I was going to add too, that when we use off duty driving, a note from the log dept comes over the QC stating the permissible uses of that status. So, we have it from Prime in writing what they consider to be legal use of that status.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Rick S.'s Comment
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Rick to answer your question....the QC has a "driving off duty" button. However, on the graph it shows as the off duty line. Our QC will allow up to 50/miles or one hour of off duty driving.

Now, had I logged a PTI and drove without hitting the off duty drive button, I would automatically go to on duty drive after five miles. My QC would actually allow me to drive 3 miles and it doesn't matter how fast...it does not trio until the five mike mark.

And as for the log Dept... They say the same as dispatch. They say it is permissible for unloaded trailers and bobtail. I have asked.

Its misinformation from the comonaies and even trainers that can confuse newbies.

Cool on that (unladen is empty trailer OR bobtail).

Do they (log department) say it is permissible to leave a shipper to drive to a truck stop to rest or wait for a load to be assigned - in the same off duty/personal status? That would be a log falsification.

Thanks for clearing up the QC and laden/unladen questions though.

Rick

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Rick S.'s Comment
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I was going to add too, that when we use off duty driving, a note from the log dept comes over the QC stating the permissible uses of that status. So, we have it from Prime in writing what they consider to be legal use of that status.

Can you share with us the content of that note that comes up?

Thanks...

Rick

G-Town's Comment
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Rick to answer your question....the QC has a "driving off duty" button. However, on the graph it shows as the off duty line. Our QC will allow up to 50/miles or one hour of off duty driving.

Now, had I logged a PTI and drove without hitting the off duty drive button, I would automatically go to on duty drive after five miles. My QC would actually allow me to drive 3 miles and it doesn't matter how fast...it does not trio until the five mike mark.

And as for the log Dept... They say the same as dispatch. They say it is permissible for unloaded trailers and bobtail. I have asked.

Its misinformation from the comonaies and even trainers that can confuse newbies.

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I was going to add too, that when we use off duty driving, a note from the log dept comes over the QC stating the permissible uses of that status. So, we have it from Prime in writing what they consider to be legal use of that status.

Sorry Kat I will continue to counter anyone offering information that could potentially cause confusion or lack of understanding...although Prime may consider this legal, DOT does not and has not changed the language of the rule. Disputing it doesn't change it or make it legal.

Until Prime puts it in writing they will pay your fine and/or reimburse for lost earnings resulting from OOS , I would suggest compliance with what is written in the HOS rules and guidance. Again please re-read what Bud posted several days ago. DOT is "onto" this questionable practice and watching.

I'd still be interested in hearing from the OP on his situation..."what did Prime do for him"?

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Pianoman's Comment
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Can you share with us the content of that note that comes up?

Thanks...

Rick

Ditto. I'm very interested in seeing this.

Kat's Comment
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It reads:

OFF DUTY DRIVING ALERT. You are currently showing using off-duty driving. Please make sure this is the correct duty status. To legally use off-duty driving, you must either be using the tractor for personal use while bob tailing or pulling an empty trailer when leaving the receiver and moving a short distance to park. The bob tail use of off-duty driving is only allowed for short movements when using the tractor for personal use such as going to get something to eat. You may NEVER use off-duty driving if there is freight on the trailer. Off-duty driving may not be used when moving to pick up your next load. If you do not currently meet the requirements to use off-duty driving, please stop and change your status to driving. If you are unsure if your planned use of off-duty driving is correct, call your log auditor prior to changing to off-duty driving. Please contact the log dept or your fleet manager if you have questions. Thanks.

Fleet Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

murderspolywog's Comment
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I have a question for the prime drivers, how often do they stack loades on you guys? And thanks Kat for the info.

Pianoman's Comment
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It reads:

OFF DUTY DRIVING ALERT. You are currently showing using off-duty driving. Please make sure this is the correct duty status. To legally use off-duty driving, you must either be using the tractor for personal use while bob tailing or pulling an empty trailer when leaving the receiver and moving a short distance to park. The bob tail use of off-duty driving is only allowed for short movements when using the tractor for personal use such as going to get something to eat. You may NEVER use off-duty driving if there is freight on the trailer. Off-duty driving may not be used when moving to pick up your next load. If you do not currently meet the requirements to use off-duty driving, please stop and change your status to driving. If you are unsure if your planned use of off-duty driving is correct, call your log auditor prior to changing to off-duty driving. Please contact the log dept or your fleet manager if you have questions. Thanks.

Intriguing. Thanks

Fleet Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Rick S.'s Comment
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Intriguing in that, the use of off-duty/personal conveyance, in order to move from a receiver to a rest place, is not the intent of the personal conveyance rule.

As elaborated by the original poster that got cited for doing this, I am quite surprised that prime would instruct drivers to do this. Never thought they would make the flagrant abuse of this rule a matter of company policy.

I too, would be interested to see if prime, is going to cover the drivers defense, and provide an affirmative defense to the citation.

Rick

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