Hos Without Driving?

If I were to drive one day out of a week . But work elsewhere until that time do no have to comply with the hours of service ? Your only allowed to work so.many hours correct?

Give us a little more detail on this scenario. If you work for an employer, but only drive for that employer 1 day a week - all time working for that employer is considered ON DUTY time - goes for your 70 and your 10 hour break. You could work 24 hours in a row for that employer - but you'd better be OFF DUTY for 10 hours before you get behind the wheel of a truck on go ON DUTY/DRIVING.

Technically/legally - if you have another job (even a non-driving job) you are supposed to be off for 10 hours before driving a CMV. I can look up the 49 CFR reg - but I'm 90%+ sure this is the case.

Remember the Walmart driver who got in the accident and almost killed Tracy Morgan in NJ. He had driven in from his home in Georgia to Delaware to grab his rig - didn't sleep and was 13 hours into his 14 hour clock (had been awake 28 hours straight) when he dozed off at the wheel.

Rick

This is actually covered in the High Road Training Program section on HOS.

ANY TIME WORKING - even for a different NON TRUCKING EMPLOYER is considered ON DUTY TIME for the purposes of HOS , and "technically" has to be logged as such.

Again - the object is to make sure you are WELL RESTED (at least 10 hours) BEFORE you get behind the wheel of a CMV.

Now - can you LIE and squeak it out on your logs. But if you run over that soccer mom and her van full of kids - and they find out you worked an 8 hour shift at the deep fryer of the Micky-D's, then jumped behind the wheel of your rig - YOU ARE GOING TO JAIL.

Rick

Thank you this is exactly what I needed to know. The two employers was the scenario I was focusing on. I appreciate the help and info!

Thank you this is exactly what I needed to know. The two employers was the scenario I was focusing on. I appreciate the help and info!

We don't hear this (potential) scenario often here - because pretty much everyone here is full time OTR.

I'm not even sure how you would log this kind of thing "legally" on E-Logs. You'd probably have to log into the QC and do a log edit - put in the On Duty Times from the other employer - approve it - then call the logs department.

The other "exception" would be, to not have to keep a log AT ALL - the "100 Air-Mile Radius Exception" - where you never get more than 100 miles from the place you report to work. You STILL have to conform to the 11 hours driving/10 hours rest - you just don't keep logs.

But again- LEGALLY - if you're working another job, and DO NOT HAVE 10 hours rest BEFORE YOU DRIVE - and you get in an accident - you WILL GET JAMMED UP.

Rick

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Thank you this is exactly what I needed to know. The two employers was the scenario I was focusing on. I appreciate the help and info!

We don't hear this (potential) scenario often here - because pretty much everyone here is full time OTR.

I'm not even sure how you would log this kind of thing "legally" on E-Logs. You'd probably have to log into the QC and do a log edit - put in the On Duty Times from the other employer - approve it - then call the logs department.

The other "exception" would be, to not have to keep a log AT ALL - the "100 Air-Mile Radius Exception" - where you never get more than 100 miles from the place you report to work. You STILL have to conform to the 11 hours driving/10 hours rest - you just don't keep logs.

But again- LEGALLY - if you're working another job, and DO NOT HAVE 10 hours rest BEFORE YOU DRIVE - and you get in an accident - you WILL GET JAMMED UP.

Rick

Many of the mega-carriers allow for experienced part-time or casual drivers and account for their time when not working "for them" with a "Driver Time Worked Statement" (DOT 395.8 J 2 ). It's a form that every driver should fill-out when starting a new job or accounting for periods of time-off exceeding 7 days. The document is signed by the driver and a company witness and is a legal/formal record. This is then posted to the electronic HOS record of that driver and becomes a supplementary piece within the driver's e-log records.

You cannot and should not apply on-duty time from the other employer into the e-log system of the company you are driving for. Driver editing the e-logs is not possible once they are approved.

Many of the mega-carriers allow for experienced part-time or casual drivers and account for their time when not working "for them" with a "Driver Time Worked Statement" (DOT 395.8 J 2 ). It's a form that every driver should fill-out when starting a new job or accounting for periods of time-off exceeding 7 days. The document is signed by the driver and a company witness and is a legal/formal record. This is then posted to the electronic HOS record of that driver and becomes a supplementary piece within the driver's e-log records.

You cannot and should not apply on-duty time from the other employer into the e-log system of the company you are driving for. Driver editing the e-logs is not possible once they are approved.

So how would this work in the OP scenario?

Every week when you go to drive (which he says is only one day a week) - you would do a 395.8 J2, to cover the preceding 7 day period? How would that work if you, say, worked 2 days (non-consecutive)?

Unfamiliar territory here - since everyone pretty much has one job - driving - for one carrier.

Thanks for the heads up...

Rick

Many of the mega-carriers allow for experienced part-time or casual drivers and account for their time when not working "for them" with a "Driver Time Worked Statement" (DOT 395.8 J 2 ). It's a form that every driver should fill-out when starting a new job or accounting for periods of time-off exceeding 7 days. The document is signed by the driver and a company witness and is a legal/formal record. This is then posted to the electronic HOS record of that driver and becomes a supplementary piece within the driver's e-log records.

You cannot and should not apply on-duty time from the other employer into the e-log system of the company you are driving for. Driver editing the e-logs is not possible once they are approved.

So how would this work in the OP scenario?

Every week when you go to drive (which he says is only one day a week) - you would do a 395.8 J2, to cover the preceding 7 day period? How would that work if you, say, worked 2 days (non-consecutive)?

Unfamiliar territory here - since everyone pretty much has one job - driving - for one carrier.

Thanks for the heads up...

Rick

Hey Rick, yes each time the OP reported to work for driving he would be required to fill out the hours worked for the previous 7 days, sign and have a company representative sign as a witness.

I will confirm the process for reporting 2 or more non-consecutive days of driving PT,...but I think it still applies.

This form coincides with HOS rule CFR 395.8.

Thx G

One additional data point; all but one of the DMs at the DC drives. Our safety director and one of the planners also drive PT.

Every time they report for a planned load, they are required to comply with the hours worked form and process, even though they are Swift employees.

What we do at my company is to do paper logs on any work performed away from the truck and submit them to our log compliance person who will then add that information to the elogs.

It's rare, but say I'm home for a weekend and a friend of mine who owns a bar is shorthanded and asks me to help out... that's how I've handled it. Your company policy may be different. We are not allowed to edit any logs ourselves, but log compliance or fleet managers (our DMs boss) can edit and amend logs.