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Azer H.'s Comment
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i am living in Ofallon MO.

I passed CDL A knowledge exam.

Now dmv not let me go to pre trip inspection and skill test exam. They told i need clp but on dmv website.

http://www.dmv.org/mo-missouri/apply-cdl.php

It says.

"Before you can apply for your commercial driver's license, you'll first have to get your commercial learner's permit (CLP). It's not required, but it is recommended, to enroll in a CDL training course, to help prepare you for the various exams and expectations involved in the commercial licensing process."

"It is not required, it is recommended"

if it is recommended so why i need bring it to DOR office??

"Once you have waited at least 14 days, and you feel comfortable driving a commercial vehicle, you can take the proper skills tests to get your full CDL. You'll have to schedule another appointment with the Missouri DOR office and bring: Your commercial learner's permit. The appropriate fees to have your CDL issued. While at the Department of Revenue, you will have to take the following skills tests: Pre-trip inspection. Basic vehicle control. On-road driving."

So Why i need to bring clp to DOR office if it is recommended not required?

Thanks.

Pre-trip Inspection:

A pre-trip inspection is a thorough inspection of the truck completed before driving for the first time each day.

Federal and state laws require that drivers inspect their vehicles. Federal and state inspectors also may inspect your vehicles. If they judge a vehicle to be unsafe, they will put it “out of service” until it is repaired.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Grizzly's Comment
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They are clearly stating that the CDL learning course is recommended, not required. The Commercial Learners Permit is required, period.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Grizzly's Comment
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I think you simply misread or incorrectly interpreted the wording they provided.

Errol V.'s Comment
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Azsr, when you go for your skills test, your CLP is required. For the DOT , they think it would be nice if you take a commercial driving course, so they recommend that. You can certainly pass your CDL tests without any truck school courses, and get your full-bore CDL-A license.

However, trucking companies require you take a commercial driving course or you're not getting a driving job.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Rick S.'s Comment
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As Errol mentioned - you still need your LEARNERS PERMIT (CLP) to legally operate the truck you are going to use for your road test.

And you need more than general knowledge to get it. Combination Vehicles, Air Brakes and the General Knowledge at a BARE MINIMUM.

I'm assuming somehow (this is a reach) that you have driven a TT and are familiar enough with them, that a Pre-Trip (of what could be the entire tractor and trailer - if that's what the random draw assigns), and skills test of: Parallel, Offset, Straight Back and Alley Dock (or a combination thereof) and on road driving doesn't present an issue for you?

It is not required to take a course (for the road test) but they do require you to have the permit for 14 days to LEGALLY PRACTICE DRIVING for a minute. If you've been practicing on public roads without a permit (and without a full CDL-A in the co-pilot seat) you are OPERATING A CMV WITHOUT A LICENSE - one of THE MOST SERIOUS OFFENSES in CDL-Land.

That's why they require the CLP.

I'm also assuming (and I might be reaching here) that you someone HAVE PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE with a TT - that enables you to think you can just walk in and do skills tests "cold". Have you held a CDL previously in MO or another state?

Again - as Errol mentioned - companies are going to require 160 hour CDL School "from an approved school" (their words, not mine). FMCSA has a rulemaking in progress, where 160 hours of training might become a FEDERAL PREREQUISITE for obtaining a CDL in the near future.

Rick

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Combination Vehicle:

A vehicle with two separate parts - the power unit (tractor) and the trailer. Tractor-trailers are considered combination vehicles.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

Patrick C.'s Comment
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Not to hijack this thread, but I just gave myself a chuckle.

Anyways, I figured I would ask Rick if being called Rickipedia bothers him? I had an ex GF that used to call me Google Jr. never bothered me. But different people are different.

Tractor Man's Comment
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Anyways, I figured I would ask Rick if being called Rickipedia bothers him?

Im sure he wears it as a Badge of Honor. I Would. I like to THINK I'm the smartest guy in the room, but the evidence is usually to the contrary! (Even when I use words like contrary)

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Rick S.'s Comment
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Doesn't bother me - but I'm not enamored of it enough to change my handle here.

I do take it as a compliment.

I just have enough interest in the industry to stay current, above average research skills, and decent memory retention - and I enjoy using it to help folks out here on the board.

Rick

G-Town's Comment
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Anyways, I figured I would ask Rick if being called Rickipedia bothers him?

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Im sure he wears it as a Badge of Honor. I Would. I like to THINK I'm the smartest guy in the room, but the evidence is usually to the contrary! (Even when I use words like contrary)

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If I am the smartest guy in the room, I am probably in the wrong room. 🤔

Azer H.'s Comment
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Thanks everybody. I understand.

I passed general knowledge, combination and air brakes.

I have experience to drive truck from other country.

To get CLP in state of Missouri i have to be employed and brig dmv letter from employer, like "he is employed", either way I can't go to DOR.

I alredy have company where i can work but they located in IL. That company works all of America. DMV wants only MO company.

So my problem now to find company who will hire me with no CDL A license and then wait when i pass DOR testing.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

CLP:

Commercial Learner's Permit

Before getting their CDL, commercial drivers will receive their commercial learner's permit (CLP) upon passing the written portion of the CDL exam. They will not have to retake the written exam to get their CDL.

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