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MB007's Comment
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I can speak for Illinois only: Highroad, company practice tests are not sufficient

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You've only completed 12% of the High Road.

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But I will say the tests are way out of date compared to what they have you study.

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No, they most certainly are not out of date, and who is "they"?

Apparently I'm confused about the resources here. I took a whole bunch of practice tests for General, Combo and Airbrakes on TruckingTruth. I kept doing them over until I got 100%. Then I found Highroad, which seems to be another form of testing at TruckingTruth. I kept going through what I thought was not already covered in the other truckingtruth tests. Also, I had been doing the Roehl site practice tests to 100%.

One example at the testing facility was a placard. I wish I could remember the question. But it was a color photo and I had to identify it. However, it was a blank reddish orange. But I cannot find it on the website. Again, I'm willing to admit I could be in the wrong as I have not used this website properly. I'm just confused between Highroad and the other study guides here. I hope you don't think I'm trying to insult you or the website. It's an excellent source. I'm willing to admit I am at fault and don't know how to use it. I apologize for offending you all. It just seems slightly different from the rulebook that I was given today. TT is a great resource. Keep up the good work. Sorry.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
MB007's Comment
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I keep hitting Report on this forum. Not sure why.

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Since you're not sure why, then you really should stop hitting that button! It has a purpose, and you are obviously not understanding it or you would not be hitting it.

If you are actually using the High Road Training Program, which I'm pretty sure you aren't understanding how to use either, you are our very first person who just couldn't get it.

You should not even go back to take that test until you actually figure out how to study by using the High Road Training Program.

Again, I apologize. It just seems like a Reply button. I have been using the study guides here heavily (http://www.truckingtruth.com/cdl-test/). But apparently, not Highroad. From what I have deduced they are two very different study guides.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Rick S.'s Comment
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Again, I apologize. It just seems like a Reply button. I have been using the study guides here heavily (http://www.truckingtruth.com/cdl-test/). But apparently, not Highroad. From what I have deduced they are two very different study guides.

This is The High Road Training Program.

What you linked to is another generic CDL practice quiz.

The High Road Training Program, takes you through each subsection of knowledge with review questions from previous sections, and keeps hitting you with questions you miss. It's designed to reinforce previous sections while adding new information. If you keep drilling it - until your proficiency is above 90% - there is NO WAY YOU CAN FAIL any DMV's test - even if they throw you a curveball or two question that isn't covered in the HRTP.

Rick

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

MB007's Comment
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Again, I apologize. It just seems like a Reply button. I have been using the study guides here heavily (http://www.truckingtruth.com/cdl-test/). But apparently, not Highroad. From what I have deduced they are two very different study guides.

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This is The High Road Training Program.

What you linked to is another generic CDL practice quiz.

The High Road Training Program, takes you through each subsection of knowledge with review questions from previous sections, and keeps hitting you with questions you miss. It's designed to reinforce previous sections while adding new information. If you keep drilling it - until your proficiency is above 90% - there is NO WAY YOU CAN FAIL any DMV's test - even if they throw you a curveball or two question that isn't covered in the HRTP.

Rick

Thanks Rick. That explains alot. I was focusing on the quizzes and judging my progress on the Highroad score chart as I stumbled around in Highroad. But I am a still a little concerned that the Aug 2016 rulebook is organized differently from the Highroad section descriptions and there seems to be additional rules (as I cited in an earlier response). The Highroad sections match fine for the 2009 rulebook.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Tractor Man's Comment
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You've only completed 12% of the High Road.

That is a quote from Brett, the creator and Administrator of this site. You can't just skim through a bit of information here and there and expect to pass your exams. RE READ Old Schools response to your original post. It appears you just glanced at that too. If you STUDY the HR program, you will pass with ease. Even if a couple of questions may be different. This is not an exercise in MEMORIZATION. If you LEARN the material, it will not matter how the question is worded. I Aced all of my permit tests including Doubles/Triples, Tanker, and HazMat on the first try, in under an hour! I barely looked at my State Manual. You do not need it! Now get to work and STUDY the Highroad. It will take several weeks. Good luck!

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HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Rick S.'s Comment
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Thanks Rick. That explains alot. I was focusing on the quizzes and judging my progress on the Highroad score chart as I stumbled around in Highroad. But I am a still a little concerned that the Aug 2016 rulebook is organized differently from the Highroad section descriptions and there seems to be additional rules (as I cited in an earlier response). The Highroad sections match fine for the 2009 rulebook.

And BTW - we're not "offended" - just confused, as apparently were you.

Now that we're all on the same page - drill drill drill tonight. I've had my CDL going on 8 years - and I STILL DRILL the HRT, just to stay "frosty". I've used the HazMat section on my last renewal, and need to start drilling it again, as I have to renew my HM again in Sept.

You are correct - in the question pertaining to OOS violation suspension - IL manual says 90 days -HRTP says minimum 6 months.

What's REALLY INTERESTING - is that the FEDERAL REGULATION also calls for SIX MONTHS:

Disqualification for violating out-of-service orders (OOSO), while operating a CMV

Category 1 describes a driver who violates an OOSO related to transporting placarded hazardous materials or operating a vehicle designed to transport 16 or more passengers.

Category 2 describes drivers not in Category 1.

Category 1: The first violation results in a disqualification of no less than 180 days or more than 2 years. The second and subsequent violations within 10 years, results in a disqualification of no less than 3 years or more than 5 years.

Category 2: The first violation results in a disqualification of no less than 180 days or more than 1 year. The second violation within 10 years, results in a disqualification of no less than 2 years or more than 5 years. The third and subsequent violations result in disqualifications of no less than 3 years or more than 5 years.

(The above, copied from FMCSA's CDL Notes for States)

TECHNICALLY - states are permitted to assess penalties MORE STRICT than Federal Regs, but NOT LESS STRICT.

Far be if from me to call ILLINOIS MANUAL LEGALLY INCORRECT - but as a statement of fact - IT IS.

Nevertheless - this being a rare exception - you should be able to drill the HRTP to perfect, and still miss a couple on the actual test and pass with ease.

Rick

I'm going to REPORT my post to bring it to Bretts attention - perhaps he'll comment on the differences in the IL Book - versus the site - versus the FMCSA reg.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Out-of-Service:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Matt 's Comment
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Just throwing this out also. The high road Is definitely more in depth. I had actually done extremely well in a previous experience with a cdl permit test.(long story I need to get it again but not do to studying materials) anyway the app.For the phone by brett is great to and extremely easy to just click on say while occupying the big chair or any other Time you have a couple seconds.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Old School's Comment
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the phone by brett is great to and extremely easy to just click on say while occupying the big chair or any other Time you have a couple seconds.

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Tractor Man's Comment
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the phone by brett is great to and extremely easy to just click on say while occupying the big chair or any other Time you have a couple seconds.

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I'm Speechless!

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Rick S.'s Comment
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the phone by brett is great to and extremely easy to just click on say while occupying the big chair or any other Time you have a couple seconds.

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Was waiting for the english translation for this...

I'm assuming he meant the phone APP...

Rick

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