Logbook Rules: How Would You Make Them Better?

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Daniel B.'s Comment
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I think what we are forgetting is while everyone clearly wants a more simple solution that isn't so crazy and difficult to understand, we also need to realize who we're dealing with here.

The people at the top making these decisions and changes do not want something super simple, if they did the old ways would never have gotten changed, they want a solution that would make them look good to their boss. They want to look like they're being highly productive and creative to satisfy all parties.

So let's keep this conversation going because the ideas are fantastic. But let's be realistic and pretend that we are trying to pitch them a new, creative idea to solve the problems.

They won't go back to the old system because it will make them look bad, and they thrive on difficulty and confusion.

Pianoman's Comment
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They won't go back to the old system because it will make them look bad

No kidding. The other thing they won't go for (or if they did, the media will have a field day with it) is just eliminating an entire rule with nothing in it's place--or even stretching it out a couple hours.

Tim H.'s Comment
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Take your 30 minute in 10 or 15 increments. And I don't see why the 14 can't pause when going off duty.

Victor C. II's Comment
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I would get rid of the 14 hour clock and extend the driving time too a 14 hour clock. That way if you needed to do anything work related you wouldnt have to worry about violating that cursed continuous 14 hour clock and you could have 14 hours to get closer to your final distination and to look for a truck stop or what have you.

Then I would get rid of the sleeper line and just have off duty there. So you would effectivily have a 3 line graph for your paper and electronic logs. I would extend the 70 to a 80 hour clock then you would have to either take a 34 reset or wait till you recaped 10 exact hours of drive time back.

Electronic Logs:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

Parrothead66's Comment
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Change it to 16 and 14 or just a straight 14 hrs of on duty/drive

Bud A.'s Comment
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By the way, the suggestion that the 14 hour rule be extended to 16 hours has already been addressed in the regulations with the short-haul exception, so that gives us some indication of what the regulators think of the idea.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Patrick C.'s Comment
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I still vote for the K.I.S.S. formula.

12 hrs of on duty time then a 10 hr required break [actual clock time has no effect. Once you accumulate 12 hrs of on duty time (driving or non driving) you must take 10 consecutive hours of off duty]

80 hrs allowed in 8 day cycle.

34hr resets still available.

I am well aware with pre trip, post trip, fueling etc... it basically amounts to the 11 hrs of driving maybe with a little wiggle room.

Reaper's Comment
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How would i make log books better.

*ripping sounds, smashing computer sounds*

Whats a log book?

Brett Aquila's Comment
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How would i make log books better.

*ripping sounds, smashing computer sounds*

Whats a log book?

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That's pretty much what we did back in the paper days......"Of course I logged it exactly as I did it, officer. Yes, I run the exact same schedule with perfect precision every single day. That's how good I am!" smile.gif

Victor C. II's Comment
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I say we go to Trump and ask him to start stomping on the FMCSA feet and make them deregulate this business more. Yes I understand about getting rest because I just got a whole lot of it because of me being early three days ahead of time but come on really? And the 70-hour rule is pretty decent in a since cause thats a lot of hours to drive but then I have to go back to the fact that they have this absolutley unnessary continuous 14 hour clock, so it really limits our ability to get like 700 or so miles. I once while with my trainer did 706 but that was once cause we were on mostly flat land.

If Trump does what he says he will do maybe we can persuade him to force the FMCSA to reduce a lot of the unnessary rules and that includes the individual states as well.

I know its unlikely but I am praying that it will happen.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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