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Norman K.'s Comment
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I have had my CDL for over 10 yrs. sadly I have had about 10 jobs, taken 12 durg tests..I admit I'm not perfect but I have also had jobs like,,,taking a job and after orientation sat in a hotel for 8 days waiting with others for a truck only for me to get one that broke down 3 times in the first wk. so yes I left. also been with 2 Company's that the dispatcher/supervisor tell me I have to pay to get good miles..so I quit (one company sent a new driver and they got busted for it), also jobs that drove me 16hrs, then 18hr the next 2 days so I left... now to my problem, I took a **** test on monday and passed, then drove, then on friday I got some hrs at home before next load, ate, went back to truck and got ready for next load but before I went to get the paperwork I took a ****.(excuse my bluntness) went in and was told I had a random before load, Informed them I just went,,, they let me sit for 1 hr and then tried but could not fill the cup to the level they wanted, got fired/quit, it was night so delt with night disp...my question,,,Its not on my DAC (says,, DOT drug violations: No ) so am I screwed for other jobs??? wonder what Companys are told since they didnt tell License Branch or DAC..

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

G-Town's Comment
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Wow,...where to begin...? Screwed for other jobs? Maybe. Good jobs? Almost definitely. You are not going to like this response...but calling it like I see it.

First of all Norman, you trolling us? Your post doesn't look like something an experienced driver would write...at least none that I know.

That said, your #1 biggest issue is "Norman", and the number of jobs you have had; "10 in 10 years". It's outrageous and rather hard to believe. You are the first person I have ever seen with a track record like this or at least the first having the nerve to admit it. Regardless if your "failure to launch" ever shows up on your DAC , your next employment prospect will most assuredly call your previous employer and make an inquiry. So your DAC is not the primary concern; what your previous employer says about "Norman", is where the worry should be. And "why" the 10 jobs in 10 years? You better have a well thought-out, truthful explanation for a chronic lack of commitment. If I was a hiring manager and had a choice between a driver with one year of clean driving experience, and you? I'd pick the guy with a year...at least I have a snowball's chance in he** of grooming that individual into a productive, reliable, and dependable driver. Chips will fall where they may...out of your control at this point. But if you are being completely honest with us, I think you had a chance to prevent this...

As a driver of ten years (or 10 jobs of 1 year each) you know they can pull a random on you at any time with zero notice. You also should know the likelihood of one happening is much, much greater at a terminal and/or when you return to duty from home-time. You were totally unprepared for something that was bound to happen. 10 years of experience...where have you been? My rule-of-thumb, I wait to empty my bladder until after I am dispatched with paperwork in hand, and then I know "today" is NOT the "day" I was selected for a donation to the local lab. With your experience, you should freakin' know this Norman. Even so, you also could have immediately downed a cup of caffeinated coffee or energy drink (natural diuretics, will quickly increase urination frequency 2-fold) and a full 12oz glass of water, once they requested a sample. In 15 minutes, all that caffeine infused liquid would be forcing it's way out of you without question. That never crossed your mind? Or is the real reason for your "pee-stipation" because you knew you'd pop-hot? It crossed my mind as soon as I read your story...not trying to be accusatory or judgmental, but "We The Forum" have seen "smoke screens" like this before (pun intended)...

Second,...I gotta believe your current employer was looking for a reason to let you go, or force you out. This is how they did it. Your track record, kinda speaks for itself, all over the "yard" and you really didn't provide tangible reasons for all the movement. What gives? My guess? It's the fault of every one of your former employers. Right? There is a reason for all of your job hopping,...c'mon Man, get honest with yourself. Taking some responsibility for your performance is a necessary and immediate step you must take. Make some drastic changes in how you conduct your business, or eventually (and you are dangerously close now) no decent company will have anything to do with you. You'll be passed over, relegated to driving for a third rate, JV, Gypo outfit that will have you in beat-down equipment, 1099'd, running crappy loads that don't pay "jack".

Stop worrying about what is one your DAC.... Get your s**t together, find another job, a good job with a reputable company. Commit to them, and stay there for several years before even thinking about jumping again.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

EPU:

Electric Auxiliary Power Units

Electric APUs have started gaining acceptance. These electric APUs use battery packs instead of the diesel engine on traditional APUs as a source of power. The APU's battery pack is charged when the truck is in motion. When the truck is idle, the stored energy in the battery pack is then used to power an air conditioner, heater, and other devices

Norman K.'s Comment
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Thanks for the replay G-town, I guess I told to much but didnt want to sound like I was trying not to give a dirty test by telling why I have taken alot of tests. I was having a good long record with companys until 5yrs into driving I lost my only son in the army that I raised totally by myself, he went into the army and I went into trucking. It really ****** me up and still does but I'm learning to deal with it. I kind of dont put up with BS like waiting for a truck for days but I was really broke and needed a job..Also took a No touch job that turned into driver unload tall frozen food pallets with just a pump jack that I just could not push up the ramp into the freezer, yep my fault I wasnt strong enough to do the job I was lied to about... another that said after my 34 hr break/hometime I would start pulling flatbeds, that I have never been trained on or felt smart enough to secure items so they would not get loose and roll off and kill someone, so Yes I quit that Co. The Co. I could not give a sample for just hired me and I passed a test 5 days earlier, so I wasn't thinking when I was not prepared, I agree and maybe it will help others to learn to always be ready... I truly do mean thanks for the input but dont Know why you seem to make fun of my name... "norman" I had no choice as a baby....I go by my middle name but like places I get jobs at for the post they used my first name. thanks again, and yes I know I could use help with not really caring much but I still have to pay bills, and I need to as you say "get my s##t together"...

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Big Scott's Comment
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Hey Norman, First off my condolences on the loss of your son.

It seems to me that some of your reasons for quiting are because either, you didn't do your due diligence researching said company,or you didn't speak up for yourself. Your attitude and self talk will be the only things that help or hurt you. Did you ever speak to the company you were with for five years to see if they would take you back?

When they sent me to get my truck, I was broke and needed to get rolling ASAP. However, when I got to the terminal , around midnight, I found that the truck wasn't there. It was in the shop. Within minutes, my company had me in a hotel. That was a Friday night. I got in my truck Moday afternoon only to take it to the local TA for service. Another day spent sitting. I finally got out Tuesday morning with a load and have been running hard since.

Good luck to you.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Tim F.'s Comment
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Hey Norman, First off my condolences on the loss of your son.

It seems to me that some of your reasons for quiting are because either, you didn't do your due diligence researching said company,or you didn't speak up for yourself. Your attitude and self talk will be the only things that help or hurt you. Did you ever speak to the company you were with for five years to see if they would take you back?

When they sent me to get my truck, I was broke and needed to get rolling ASAP. However, when I got to the terminal , around midnight, I found that the truck wasn't there. It was in the shop. Within minutes, my company had me in a hotel. That was a Friday night. I got in my truck Moday afternoon only to take it to the local TA for service. Another day spent sitting. I finally got out Tuesday morning with a load and have been running hard since.

Good luck to you.

Could be wrong, and forgive me if I am. I don't think The son died. I think the son went out on his own into the Army.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Rainy D.'s Comment
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Sorry. The whole story does sound fishy. 10 years experience and not one was a large carrier who would have trucks, wouldn't force you to a division and would definitely train you if they did?

I'm guessing there is other stuff going on such as DUI or felonies preventing Norman from going to better companies to begin with. Then the next reply is "I have a good long track record with COMPANIES the first five years".

No Norman, you don't if you have bounced around from company to company, you don't. So what do you constitute as a " bad track record"?

I'm sure Rick will.come along with some awesome info on failed/refused drug tests, but an experienced would know how important these tests are. Sounds like you were tested twice in one week for a brand new company? Way to prove yourself there.

I respect the going downhill after your son's death, and appreciate your son's sacrifice and service. I lost my sister and it traumatized me for awhile too. But don't disrespect him by 1 utilizing his death to justify bad behaviors 2. Giving up on life if that is what you did. Would he want that?

Sounds like you stopped caring about everything. Would he want that? BTW, when you change companies sometimes you need to take some BS to prove yourself worthy of the miles and gain a good reputation. So what..you do that in every job.

Swallow your pride a bit, start caring again and get back on track of you can. Not sure how easy that will be with the failed/refused drug test.

Furthermore. "Fired/quit" is not a real description. If you were terminated you were terminated. If you quit then YOU chose to leave. I doubt night dispatch fired you, so once again YOU chose to leave. Life is about responsibility and accountability. At your age you should know that.

Good luck.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

DUI:

Driving Under the Influence

EPU:

Electric Auxiliary Power Units

Electric APUs have started gaining acceptance. These electric APUs use battery packs instead of the diesel engine on traditional APUs as a source of power. The APU's battery pack is charged when the truck is in motion. When the truck is idle, the stored energy in the battery pack is then used to power an air conditioner, heater, and other devices

G-Town's Comment
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Norman, terribly sorry for your loss...not making fun of your name. Just emphasized it...

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