Two Right Turn Lanes....

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Sung Y.'s Comment
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If there are two right turn lane. Which lane should I use...

G-Town's Comment
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If there are two right turn lane. Which lane should I use...

If there is no signage directing you otherwise, always the left most lane when 2 RHT lanes. Opposite if two LHT lanes, stay in the right lane. In both cases "aim high" to keep the trailer tandems in your lane.

Tandems:

Tandem Axles

A set of axles spaced close together, legally defined as more than 40 and less than 96 inches apart by the USDOT. Drivers tend to refer to the tandem axles on their trailer as just "tandems". You might hear a driver say, "I'm 400 pounds overweight on my tandems", referring to his trailer tandems, not his tractor tandems. Tractor tandems are generally just referred to as "drives" which is short for "drive axles".

Tandem:

Tandem Axles

A set of axles spaced close together, legally defined as more than 40 and less than 96 inches apart by the USDOT. Drivers tend to refer to the tandem axles on their trailer as just "tandems". You might hear a driver say, "I'm 400 pounds overweight on my tandems", referring to his trailer tandems, not his tractor tandems. Tractor tandems are generally just referred to as "drives" which is short for "drive axles".

Linden R.'s Comment
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This is actually a question I've had in the past too. Would like to know the answer.

Old School's Comment
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Anytime you have two turn lanes, always use the outside lane, the one with the larger radius.

On a right turn this is the left lane.

On a left turn this is the right lane.

Aaron M.'s Comment
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Also if there are THREE right or left turns, use the most outside lane.

A left turn, use the right most lane. A right turn, use the left most lane.

I accidentally got in the left most lane while making a left turn and had to take that turn EXTRA slow. I didn't realize they had two left turns until it was to late. But I didn't smack nothing and people new what I was doing and was courteous and let me get over.

Just be careful.

Errol V.'s Comment
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I'll fess up here. The basic rule is to use the "outside" lane whenever there is more than one - left or right.

I came to an intersection, I was supposed to turn left. But I want familiar with the place, so I ended up in the left/ inside lane, waiting for the green arrow and my doom. Traffic all around, and to top it off, a semi behind me (going straight across) to know and laugh.

I was forced to block the outside left turn lane on my blind right side while I sweated not scraping the fender of a car waiting in the cross traffic. Got by that by a few inches. Moral of my tale: if you see two left turn signals, or two left turn signs, plan to be in the outside lane before you're stuck on the inside.

Sung Y.'s Comment
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Thanks all...👍

Susan D. 's Comment
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Please follow whatever guidelines in your states CDL manual.

I completely "get" GTown and Old School's theory here, however in my state the CDL manual (regarding right turns) says:

"Keep the rear of your vehicle to the curb. This will stop other drivers from passing you on the right.".

It goes on to elaborate that it's easier to see vehicles to your left if you stay in the right most lane, whether you are making a left or a right turn.

The Kentucky DOT officer that tested us, instructed us to always use the right most lane in making any turn be it left or right.

I completely see why they would say use the outermost lane, but please do whatever is required for testing in the state you intend to obtain your CDL in.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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"Keep the rear of your vehicle to the curb. This will stop other drivers from passing you on the right.".

That passage from the manual isn't talking about a location that has two right turn lanes. It's talking about a normal right hand turn.

For anyone that's really new to all of this, kind of ignore this next part if it's super confusing. You'll understand it better once you get out there.

Susan, how are you going to make a tight turn in either direction from the inside lane when you have obstructions on both sides of you while you're making the turn? If you're in the inside lane you can't cut it tight because you'll hit obstructions on the inside, and you can't swing wide because you'll have traffic on the outside of you turning with you. You have to make room somehow, and the only way to do that is if you stay in the outside turning lane so you don't have any obstructions on the outside of you. That will give you enough room to clear traffic that's on the inside of you turning with you.

You simply can not squeeze between an obstruction on the inside and traffic on your outside.

G-Town's Comment
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Susan I am glad you "get" my theory, because I sure as heck do not "get" yours, especially from the perspective of practical application. Do you practice your "theory" in North Jersey, Atlanta, New York Metro or Philadelphia areas? Good luck if you do. Might have worked when trailers didn't exceed 40', and there was lighter traffic, but not the case now.

There is very clear and concise language specific to RH or LH double turning lanes in the PA CDL manual that Old School basically cited chapter and verse. Same with NJ...

I drive through some of the most complex and congested intersections found in the US, many of which have 6 lanes through an intersection on each side. During rush hour they are typically bumper to bumper. If I attempted what you are suggesting through a double turning lane, I'd either swipe a poll on the right through a RH turn or take out the vehicles to my left in a RH turn. Either option is unacceptable. Most of these larger intersections prohibit trucks in the right most or left most turning lanes of a double turning lane configuration with very conspicuous and enforced signage.

Furthermore the reference to the curb is difficult to apply to this type of intersection because there aren't any, just paint.

Although I don't have the time to check at this moment, I suspect the KY manual's language applies to single turning lanes (as Brett suggested) and not to double RH or LH turning lanes.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
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