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Noobie1217's Comment
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Are you serious? You already know how they should cut their recruiting expenses and put those funds into their payroll?

I tell you one thing in your post that really stood out to me. Your uncle didn't bother to tell you how you need a certificate of training to land a job in this business, and neither did the school that took your money just to show you how to drive in reverse! Yet you went on and on about how nice those people at that school are. They did you a disservice! I hope you realize that by now.

Usually people like you, who already know people in this business, have a really hard time making a start of this. Does that seem odd to you? Have you figured out why that is so? I'm hoping you have, but I can't tell for sure because there seems to be some mixed messages in the things you've posted.

Very nice!!! I must be coming off a little misunderstood..lol....seems I'm getting a little hostile feedback from you fine sir....I can be totally honest and tell you I'm just getting started out in this and don't have many high expectations and I'm learning a bunch of this as I go;) As far as the recruiting and all that jazz....I honestly believe there is a problem with the amount of turnover...I also believe if you treat people right and fair they stick around....that has nothing to do with the industry it has more to do with life, but that's just my opinion. Any industry that has that amount of turnover has an issue! Is it bad attitudes or bad business models IDK, or is it greedy companies that know if they keep churning people thru the system they can get freight hauled for cheap..IDK...but its something..

As far as no one telling me I would have a tough time getting hired without a certificate, I was told that..sorry I did not put it in my post...I also will stand by the statement that the people that own White Cdl school did me right...did exactly what I wanted...let me use there equipment to take the driving test and taught me how to back...I called a place in Kansas City for this same type of service and they wanted 450.00 just to use there equipment and take the test at there facility...learning to back was on my own...so the few dollars I gave the people at Whites was well worth it...and they were extremely nice people....

the mixed message part...I don't really have a message...just my thoughts on what I have been thru so far.."people like me"? Not sure what that means...hardworking people? Americans? what does that mean? ...I have had ups and downs getting into this industry like most people do I'm sure...by no means is anything I type meant to be hostile or meant to show I know anything what so ever...Just my observations...and I hope to learn and grow from all of this to be successful someday in this industry....but I will say I have lots to learn

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Noobie1217's Comment
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Btw....how would you get a part time job while driving 2500 to 3000 miles a week?

"i have yet to get paid but start on monday" makes me wonder if you exoected to get paid before even starting training? If so, please rethink yourself.

try to answer both your questions with a short reply....as far as part time job....My orientation was monday thru friday....was over at about 5pm...if I needed I could of went and worked evening shifts in the restaurant or whatever was available...During the training period while working with my trainers its only 5-6 days a week...leaves 1-2 days to fill in with other work..again I have some family I could fall back on and pick up restaurant shifts if needed....there is always work out there if you need it...me personally on my days off have went and written a few insurance policies with some old leads I had just to cover any bills and keep money flowing in..

On the pay expectation thing....As of today I have been thru orientation and one week over the road with my trainer...I think my first pay day is monday for the training pay...I did not expect any money up front..lol....also I will add that if I did need money the company I'm working with offers an advance you can take a couple times a week...I just put and estimate on what I think my paycheck would be for 5 days at 100 minus taxes....If that was all the income a person had and was expecting to feed there family on 325 a week take home I believe it would be pretty tough...holy cow i'm long winded..lol

Over The Road:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Noobie1217's Comment
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You have it all figured out, so good luck.

I wish I had it all figured out..lol....I have soooo much to learn....and even after that I will never have it all figured out..lol...Merry Christmas;)

Old School's Comment
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Noobie, I hope you survive your introduction to trucking, but I've got my serious doubts. You show all the classic signs of the typical noob who did tons of research yet somehow came up with a lot of bad information on how this whole "getting started in trucking" process works.

You've got all the buzzwords like "driver churn" in your first few posts here, and it's concerning. How did you manage all that research without ever making use of our vast resources here?

I also believe if you treat people right and fair they stick around....that has nothing to do with the industry it has more to do with life, but that's just my opinion. Any industry that has that amount of turnover has an issue! Is it bad attitudes or bad business models IDK, or is it greedy companies that know if they keep churning people thru the system they can get freight hauled for cheap..IDK...but its something..

Here's the deal. All these big trucking companies do treat their people right. The problem with trucking is that it is super challenging, and even more so for the rookie drivers. It is completely performance based, and it's super tough to perform at the highest levels required to be proficient at this. A lot of people try, and a few of them prove themselves worthy. The others either decide it's not worth it, or prove themselves too high risk to keep on the team. There's a lot of factors to the problem of driver retention, but none of it has to do with business models. It is an extraordinary job that requires extraordinary people.

Most people coming into trucking do not have any concept of performance based pay. They are accustomed to measuring their income by the amount of time they put into their job. Truckers work long hours, and the ones who learn to be proficient at this typically work the equivalent time of doing two full time jobs. They are passionate about what they do, and it shows in their results.

No one gets rich doing this, but a good driver can earn some really solid money for a blue collar type job. That is where the problem lies. It takes some special people to do this job. Many just don't enjoy it enough, or ever break through to being proficient enough to be satisfied with their results. I think it's that simple. You see how much trouble you've had already, and you haven't even gotten your first paycheck yet.

I've got a homework assignment for ya, and I hope you'll take it serious because it's going to open your eyes and help you a lot. Click on the three bar menu above and then click on "The Road Home" podcasts. Take the time to listen to each of those podcasts. Please do that and I think you will find yourself much more prepared for this new endeavor. This isn't like going out to find a new job or career. It is a complete lifestyle you're about to embrace. If you can't embrace it and love it, you're going to hit a brick wall and end up back door to door selling worthless paper to people.

While you're at it here's some more work for you to dive into...

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Noobie1217's Comment
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Lots to read....thanks for pointing me in the right direction...I'm also a huge podcast fan so will load the podcast on my phone

G-Town's Comment
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I read this thread a couple of times. Wow Noobie, what a "head-scratcher". Granted seems like your most recent reply is definitely a step in the right direction...

So..."People like you" refers to misinformed newbies....not meant to be offensive or accusatory. It's just many, many folks come into this business and forum chest-t******* with unrealistic expectations and a complete misunderstanding of truth and facts. Based on everything you have posted...I can understand why the statement was made...here are examples of what I mean:

You wrote:

Any industry that has that amount of turnover has an issue! Is it bad attitudes or bad business models IDK, or is it greedy companies that know if they keep churning people thru the system they can get freight hauled for cheap..IDK...but its something..

Spoken like a true seasoned industry expert...? An issue? The "issue" as you put it, is the unexpected degree of difficulty required overcoming a myriad of challenges, obstacles, and variables that are experienced during school, training and the first few months of 1st seat driving. Very steep, often underestimated learning curve. The bottom line, only a few drivers make it past the first year. I believe at the very heart of this statistical fact; a basic lack of knowledge, sense of importance/entitlement and lofty expectations most people have when entering into this. "Driving a truck; how difficult can that be?" Ask anyone here; first few months of a rookie's trucking life has reduced many grown men to tears. Read the recent Prime diary of "Paul".

Corporate Greed? Almost funny. The average operating ratio for the majority of our employers is 3%. Which translates to a 3 penny profit for every dollar earned. Hardly numbers that support a greedy corporate culture and windfall profits at the expense of the lowly drivers. For top-performing company drivers making 65-75k per year; this premise is not even in there thought process.

You also wrote this:

During the training period while working with my trainers its only 5-6 days a week...leaves 1-2 days to fill in with other work..again I have some family I could fall back on and pick up restaurant shifts if needed....

Most of the companies you mentioned will have you out with your trainer for weeks, possibly the entire duration without any home time. Furthermore if you work 7 days per week (training and PT work combined) and exceed 70 hours on-duty, technically and legally you are out of hours. If you are being honest with the system, you'll be required to take a 34 hour break before you can drive again during training. Hours worked regardless of trucking or "other", all accumulate against the 70 hour on-duty clock. Could you get away with it? Sure, as long as you don't get into any driving accident while training. All that said, how are you going to hold down a PT job while you are training? Again, unrealistic expectations.

So...not to be confrontational or mean but, the only thing you have written that is relevant and I agree with is the "IDK" disclaimer. You really "don't know" and seem to be hell-bent on trashing an industry based on what little knowledge you actually have. Please don't debate this...once and done for me, take it or leave it. My suggestion; drop-back, punt and share what happens during school and training. That we'll care about and respond with positive reinforcement and candid feedback. It will also be highly valuable to others considering a similar path.

Not sure if you have invested any time studying the two links Old School sent you, but you really should do that, and soon. It will put an exclamation point to the replies to your post. I sincerely wish you all the best and good luck.

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