Motorcycle Permit

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Kevin L.'s Comment
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In the near future I will be attending Orientation with Maverick Transportation. My question today is I already have my PA CDL class A with SPTX endorsements. If I wanted to add Motorcycle to it as well I can go to Penndot take the written test and obtain a permit for it that is valid for a year. Because I currently hold a valid license of a different class I can practice on the motorcycle anytime I am home off work during the day until I actually take the driving portion of the test and get the new class added to my CDL. The permit is valid for a year.

I remember from the application they asked about any permits I have or have had in the recent history and for their numbers and such. These questions were in the Drivers license section of the application. Will having a motorcycle permit in addition to my CDL cause any problems or issues for my prospective employer? I don't think it would but I wanted to ask here to be more sure. God knows I have a ton of stuff to learn here.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Flatie C.'s Comment
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In the near future I will be attending Orientation with Maverick Transportation. My question today is I already have my PA CDL class A with SPTX endorsements. If I wanted to add Motorcycle to it as well I can go to Penndot take the written test and obtain a permit for it that is valid for a year. Because I currently hold a valid license of a different class I can practice on the motorcycle anytime I am home off work during the day until I actually take the driving portion of the test and get the new class added to my CDL. The permit is valid for a year.

I remember from the application they asked about any permits I have or have had in the recent history and for their numbers and such. These questions were in the Drivers license section of the application. Will having a motorcycle permit in addition to my CDL cause any problems or issues for my prospective employer? I don't think it would but I wanted to ask here to be more sure. God knows I have a ton of stuff to learn here.

No it's not gonna be an issue. They are more concern of endorsement on Class A. I have motorcycle endorsement with mine before I got a Class A. They added it with no problem with all the endorsements I have including the M. Hope that helps!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Kevin L.'s Comment
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Thanks for the fast response. Ok so I already have all the available endorsements for my CDL here motorcycle is actually a class not an endorsement so once I pass the test My CDL will show me as a Class AM with SPTX endorsements. I am guessing they may or may not want another copy of my updated license once I add the Class to it. Having an additional permit and my CDL is not an issue. I think the permit will have the same number as my CDL does anyhow not sure.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Patrick C.'s Comment
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Motorcycle is its own class. You will need to get a class M permit to 'practice'. A class M permit will restrict to not having passengers, riding only during daylight hours and must be in the presence of a class M license holder. I am sure there are probably variations state to state. Once you pass the written and riding portions of the test your license will be updated to a class AM. Some states do forgo testing for your motorcycle license if you attend an approved motorcycle safety riding course. The driving portion of the test varies widely from state to state. When I originally got my motorcycle license in Kansas the riding portion of the course was negotiating an obstacle course at "walking speeds". I had a GSXR1100 at the time. Very top heavy. Also motorcycles aren't stable at those speeds.

Just some added info, I would definitely do a MSF approved Rider safety course regardless. The insurance discount is well worth it. Also most insurance companies based your insurance rate on years of riding experience, not how long you have held any other class of license. If you plan on being a sport bike kinda guy, I would suggest you look at "sport tourer" bikes. Like the Suzuki Bandit. Insurance is a lot cheaper. You will end up with close to the same level of performance. Sport tourers are a lot less "revvy", usually only have 5 gears instead of 6 and have a little more torque. The biggest bonus is your not forced into the slip disc slouch.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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Holy cow Flatie C is in the house! Great to see you, been a long time. How are things going?

Old School's Comment
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Holy cow Flatie C is in the house!

rofl-1.gif That was my exact response!

We miss her. Then she just pops in like some distant relative we haven't seen in a long time.

Kevin L.'s Comment
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Motorcycle is its own class. You will need to get a class M permit to 'practice'. A class M permit will restrict to not having passengers, riding only during daylight hours and must be in the presence of a class M license holder. I am sure there are probably variations state to state. Once you pass the written and riding portions of the test your license will be updated to a class AM. Some states do forgo testing for your motorcycle license if you attend an approved motorcycle safety riding course. The driving portion of the test varies widely from state to state. When I originally got my motorcycle license in Kansas the riding portion of the course was negotiating an obstacle course at "walking speeds". I had a GSXR1100 at the time. Very top heavy. Also motorcycles aren't stable at those speeds.

Just some added info, I would definitely do a MSF approved Rider safety course regardless. The insurance discount is well worth it. Also most insurance companies based your insurance rate on years of riding experience, not how long you have held any other class of license. If you plan on being a sport bike kinda guy, I would suggest you look at "sport tourer" bikes. Like the Suzuki Bandit. Insurance is a lot cheaper. You will end up with close to the same level of performance. Sport tourers are a lot less "revvy", usually only have 5 gears instead of 6 and have a little more torque. The biggest bonus is your not forced into the slip disc slouch.

I have done the research about how to get the class added. I agree with the idea of a motorcycle safety program I just have an issue with scheduling it as im going otr in a couple weeks. I was not even thinking about the cost of insurace though. I currently am paying under 500 a year for my car insurance which can cause far more damage and injury than a motorcycle. I know the states are all different but here you can drive a half hour before sunrise till a half hour after sunset. No passengers unless it is a certified instructor but no requirement to be with any other driver either as long as i hold a license of any other class and am over 18.

What I was really looking for was if me having my cdl and a permit at the same time would cause my company any issues. It seems like the company wont be effected as long as I maintain my cdl and endorsements I neforto haul their cargo.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
PackRat's Comment
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Holy cow Flatie C is in the house!

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rofl-1.gif That was my exact response!

We miss her. Then she just pops in like some distant relative we haven't seen in a long time.

I was thinking the same thing, Brett and OS. Good to see her handle!

Keith G.'s Comment
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In Florida I had no issues getting all my endorsements and job offers with my motorcycle endorsement. I've got Haz, Tanker, double, and of course my Class A. I'm working on catching all the endorsements bit by bit smile.gif

Kevin L.'s Comment
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As mentioned before it should not be a problem with the new job for me to go get my motorcycle permit while I have my cdl. I verified this with the recruitet yesterday. Today I will be submitting my passport application then heading to penndot to get my permit. While Im there I am also going to pick up a complete driving abstract. It seems like every day as I get closer to leaving for orientation I find myself getting more excited and prepared.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

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