David I would like a little clarification on something you said he changed your logs, will you were driving? Are you on paper logs? Because all the elogs systems I know if won't allow editing of the drivers logs will the truck is in motion? Yes you can dispute it with your company and explain what happens. Yes it is ilegal for him to edit your logs weather he has your approval of not. Also there should be something were you are signing your logs daily and you should be checking and making share everything is right on them. If something is wrong correct it. And it is illegal for him to change your duty status. Unforchantly with out proof it's a he said he said, argument. I hope that helps.
Electronic Logbook
A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.
Electronic Logbook
A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.
Yeah it's elogs. I'm not sure about not being able to edit while driving. I do know he can change himself to SB while driving like if we are in traffic. He edits his logs constantly during the day too so maybe its while im at a redlight.? Sorry I don't know more I just haven't been taught so I'm winging it in some ways. I do know my clock should be counting down not gaining a couple of hours. Lol I just know I'll have, let's say, 6 hrs till my 8. He'll mess with the Qualcomm for a little bit and then I glance to see my time and there is an extra hour or two added. So I do some figuring and Stop before (hopefully) my 8 is up. I check the logs and see it's been edited again. (for example, missing on duty that was there before) I call him on it and he admits he changed it because "on duty time doesn't make (his) paycheck". This last time I changed it back to accurate and it turned out I was 3 minutes over on my 8 and it kicked me the 2nd violation. (The first violation I'm not sure what he did I just know he was jacking with it and then went to cussing and told me I have a violation now. I was on my first week and didn't really understand.)
There is nothing to sign but there is an approve tab in the machine. I don't always get to approve it unless he's asleep because he jumps in there and does it. I can't stand it and have told him as much. Finally got a training counselor on the phone who is supposed to be getting me a different trainer. (There are other serious issues I won't get into here)
I do understand about the he said she said thing. That makes sense. People r full of it all the time. I think your post helped out. I now know for sure he isn't supposed to do that and that I may have a chance at getting it fixed. Some chance is better than none! =) Thank you for your response. I wish we did have to sign something instead of pushing a little button lol
I hope I clarified enough but not too much. Thanks again for the response. I feel like it helped.
Electronic Logbook
A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.
Electronic Logbook
A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.
Someone pointed out elsewhere that you can email those logs to yourself. It doesn't sound like it'll help you with this trainer, but maybe it'll help someone else.
If I understood correctly, one could potentially email onesself a copy every time a new entry is made, and that way have proof of later tampering by an Incorrigible Third Party.
This is something that happens a lot. Many drivers and trainers will take them or the student to off duty if you are sitting in traffic. When you go under a certain. Speed the QC doesn't catxh it as driving so you are able to change it. Many will set to off duty as soon as they get to a customer and won't go back until they are driving agAin. It's all about the 70 hour cloxk
On my last drive with my permit my trainer changed me to off duty to give me my 30 min while in traffic. I drove for 9 hours and was totally exhausted. I told him three times I needed to shut down. When I finally insisted and pull into a rest stop I hit a trailer. It was my fault cause I should have parked sooner and refused to drive.
Do what is best for you. do u have a permit or license?
I can only compare this the the e-log system I have on the QC. In order for your trainer to log you in as the "driver" he needs your password and driver code. Same thing for approving your logs.
Yes he can log you off without your pw, but logging in, not so at least with how it works on my QC.
This is something that happens a lot. Many drivers and trainers will take them or the student to off duty if you are sitting in traffic. When you go under a certain. Speed the QC doesn't catxh it as driving so you are able to change it. Many will set to off duty as soon as they get to a customer and won't go back until they are driving agAin. It's all about the 70 hour cloxk
On my last drive with my permit my trainer changed me to off duty to give me my 30 min while in traffic. I drove for 9 hours and was totally exhausted. I told him three times I needed to shut down. When I finally insisted and pull into a rest stop I hit a trailer. It was my fault cause I should have parked sooner and refused to drive.
Do what is best for you. do u have a permit or license?
This is the best answer... Its all about that 70... What your trainer is doing is saving your 70 but changing your in duty to off duty to five you the most drive time... Is it legal no do a lot of truckers do it yes...
Many times on this forum you will read about shutting down at a shipper or receiver and not starting your time until you are ready to roll.. That's how you make miles and money...
The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.
David thanks for explaning. So first off I would talk to safety and try to find out what you need to do to correct the log violation or see if they even track them at this point. The only way the DOT will know is if they do an audit of the company or wright you a ticket for it. Second I would get I bb the prossses of editing your logs and aproving them your self, faster than your trainer dose. Do you drive teams with him or solo. I would not worry to much about his loging habbits. Lots of drivers if there is a way will figer out how to get one up on the system. The next thing I see all the time and this gose to all students. Is there way to trusting of there trainers and I tell them it's your licesens your the one resposible for it. If your trainer has you do something un safe it is YOUR responsibility to stop and become safe. Now if The trainer sees you doing something un safe it's there respisiblty to bring it to your attention. David I hope this helps some, also awesome pipe. Who makes it?
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Okay, my trainer is the worst ever. I have put in for a new trainer. Now that that is out of the way...
My trainer changed my logs while I was driving, on 2 separate occasions. It led to two separate HOS violations on me. Question is, can I somehow dispute these violations or have them removed since my logs were altered by another person without my knowledge or consent? Also, is it even legal for him to change my logs to try to get more driving time by changing from on duty to sleeper berth when in fact I was on duty, on the dock, counting produce.
From the training videos I'm watching on my phone it seems like a pretty big deal and these violations are stuck with me for 3 years. =/
Sleeper Berth:
The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.