Game: Rookie Unrealistic Expectations

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Roadpilot's Comment
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"I was told I was gonna get a new truck"

I saw this in action last Friday. A recently upgraded driver was assigned his truck, a 2016 Freightliner. He gets on the phone with his mentor and the mentor gasses him up to ask for a new truck. I saw him a bit later pulling out of the yard with a 2015 Volvo.

Now I really want a Volvo when I go solo but if they had thrown me the keys to a truck barely a year old as a rookie, I would have been gone before they realized what they did

James M.'s Comment
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With the question posed as what are the false expectations out of CDL school; What are the true expectations coming out of School?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
James M.'s Comment
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what are some realistic expectations?

6 string rhythm's Comment
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Rainy, I'm confused with your very first itemized "unrealistic expectation." Going local right out of CDL school is certainly not an unrealistic expectation. Rookie drivers do it all the time in the greater Harrisburg, York, and Carlisle area of Pennsylvania. I did. It's quite common here.

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Awesome you have those opportunities in your area. Some areas aren't like that. In my area even if you do find a local job, without the one year OTR experience, you make about half what an experienced driver would make which isnt enough to live on here. Plus, NJ has really high insurance. Even my friend who owns his own fleet of ten trucks told me to wait the year OTR then come work for him. He could still only guarantee three days a week home. He said the home every a night isn't as profitable for smaller companies due to bureaucratic BS costs.

The USPS contracts out their routes. I knew the schedules due to working at the processing center and thought I'd give a try at those.companies.

For regional home every other night I'd get $15 per hour. For a box truck home every night I'd get $12.50 an hour. I made $26-40 per hour in the processing center. So why spend thousands to get the CDL to make half? Aldi's cashiers are making $11.50 per hour in my area.

That amount in WV or AL might be great. But not here. Not for a single person.

Rainy, I know of ODFL terminals in Jersey that hire without OTR experience and drivers do well with their pay. LTL and food service (as another poster mentioned) pays quite well for local work. Getting hired as a local driver without experience is more common than you might think. The key is location. But frankly, the locations that offer these opportunities are in heavy freight areas where there's a greater population. So opportunities are common for these areas.

My point is that it's not an unrealistic expectation at all if you live in the right area.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Regional:

Regional Route

Usually refers to a driver hauling freight within one particular region of the country. You might be in the "Southeast Regional Division" or "Midwest Regional". Regional route drivers often get home on the weekends which is one of the main appeals for this type of route.

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
6 string rhythm's Comment
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Rainy, I'm confused with your very first itemized "unrealistic expectation." Going local right out of CDL school is certainly not an unrealistic expectation. Rookie drivers do it all the time in the greater Harrisburg, York, and Carlisle area of Pennsylvania. I did. It's quite common here.

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I'm not in same area you are, but here in Iowa there's local companies hiring you and then sending you to school on their dime, that you're home every night and make great money. I actually just had my first day of class today. They are paying for my schooling with a 1 year contract, but also paying me 15 an hr while in class (40 hours a week for 4 weeks), then goes up to nearly 23 an hr once CDL in hand and going through 12 weeks 1 on 1 training with the company. Also being paid a meal allowance per day of 50 dollars, they're paying my lodging as school is 200 miles from home, and paying me 87 cents per mile driven in personal vehicle from time I left home til I return after week of class ( 47 cents per mile is company rate when travelling for work, and 40 cents depreciation on vehicle).

This is foodservice delivery as opposed to the LTL gig you landed, But this is exactly the kind of agreement I've needed to finally jump in. Its only 1 year, which I know it's gonna be difficult backs and very labor intensive but after the 1 year I'll re evaluate how I feel physically and decide what I want to do. I've wanted to do this for quite some time but having young kids (year and a half, and a 4 month old), and making nearly 60k a year at my warehouse job made me put it on hold.

To anybody reading this that may feel this is how they want to join the industry as well.....keep in mind I have over 5 years foodservice warehouse experience and what I was offered was, in my opinion, a way of luring me away from Sysco (previous company) and switch over to PFG (current company) as they felt I'd be a perfect match knowing the physicality involved as well as knowing the product as it's very similar between the two.

We have a few Sysco drivers that became linehaul drivers at my barn. Food service pays well if you don't mind the labor. Congrats on your opportunity.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier

Linehaul:

Linehaul drivers will normally run loads from terminal to terminal for LTL (Less than Truckload) companies.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning them to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

6 string rhythm's Comment
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Jeez. Now you really might think I'm picking on you, but as a linehaul driver your company will indeed pay for your hotel every night. I just realized that other point you made. It's not true, neither is your first point. Perhaps it should be clarified that LTL and other local sectors are different from truckload. I believe that's the key here. I stick around this forum mainly to be a voice for trucking opportunities besides truckload or OTR.

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Linehaul:

Linehaul drivers will normally run loads from terminal to terminal for LTL (Less than Truckload) companies.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning them to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.
Pete B.'s Comment
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I had the unrealistic expectation that I was going to be busy, that I was going to work. Two 34++ hr resets in same week, waiting on a relay trailer and given three days to get to an appointment 8 hrs away is just one recent example. I have many.

Susan D. 's Comment
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We don't turn in our trucks when we take time off like that.. just park it at/near our home as usual. Now if I were to take extended time off, remove my belongings and park it at a terminal , my truck *could* get loaned to another driver as a spinner, if their truck broke down and needed repairs that took longer to complete.

Technically, I'm only taking 5 days of vacation. I'm temporarily switching to regional home every weekend for a month until she and the baby are settled. I'm being allowed to keep my same dispatcher since this is strictly temporary and I want to return to Network Fleet (OTR) fairly soon.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Regional:

Regional Route

Usually refers to a driver hauling freight within one particular region of the country. You might be in the "Southeast Regional Division" or "Midwest Regional". Regional route drivers often get home on the weekends which is one of the main appeals for this type of route.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
G-Town's Comment
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James asks:

what are some realistic expectations?

Welcome James...these links will help:

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Big T's Comment
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Top bunk really shouldn't be used when the truck is rolling. It's not safe to sleep in and the quality of sleep makes for an unsafe driving shift.

As a rookie myself, I just did my first "drive all night". My unrealistic expectation was that when my partner and I swapped this morning, that I'd get in the bunk and sleep my whole 10 hours. That top bunk is NOT the place to get any sleep. Tips from any team drivers here on how to best sleep while rolling will be much appreciated. I think I slept 2 hours, at least I can sleep in my bed tonight.

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