Released From Schneider Program / Job Due To Poor Backing

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Bird-one's Comment
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I agree. That maybe your only option at this point Marc.

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Just not turning in my license and endorsements to start over!

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Why not? You really have zero experience. You're going to re-learn everything anyways it's just a test. You passed it before why cant you again with more practice? The CDL you currently possess is more or less useless. To be honest if I were in your situation I'd find any company that's willing to take me on and do whatever it is they ask of me.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Marc Lee's Comment
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I agree. That maybe your only option at this point Marc.

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Just not turning in my license and endorsements to start over!

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Why not? You really have zero experience. You're going to re-learn everything anyways it's just a test. You passed it before why cant you again with more practice? The CDL you currently possess is more or less useless. To be honest if I were in your situation I'd find any company that's willing to take me on and do whatever it is they ask of me.

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REALLY don't see how that helps.

Please enlighten me!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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Marc, you're the one that said you're not giving up your license or endorsements. Have any companies asked you to do that?

Marc Lee's Comment
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So here is my question... are you trying to.get a job and go right into a "paid" position without going through school.again? That didnt seem to work at Schneider. So.are you asking these companies to go.through their schooling?

i would.just sign a contract and do the schooling all over again. it isnt going to hurt. that is IF they will even let you. some wont.

You seemed surprised Schneider let you go after not backing well... my guess is they basically gave you the CDL Exam to see how you would do. "more than 15 minutes" and "I think i GOALed 3 times" those are auto fails on the CDL Exam.

Actually, Schneider allows unlimited GOALS but 15 minutes is apparently a hard limit. I was told it was "soft" (not actually clocked). In WI I am not aware of a time limit. On the 90 degree back I believe you are allowed 2 pull-ups for free, additionals are 2 points (again, doing this from memory). Not sure if GOALS are charged but if they are it would be similar...

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Big T's Comment
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I am not aware of a hiring freeze in Wisconsin for Swift, but we have a terminal in Appleton. If you got hired on though you would most likely have to do the full training based on your experience level. 200 behind the wheel hours and 40 backs before you could upgrade.

You could try companies that do refresher courses like western Express or covenant but they are usually shorter than Schneider's course. WE was like three days and back when I worked at Covenant (10 yrs ago) theirs was a week.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Marc Lee's Comment
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Marc, you're the one that said you're not giving up your license or endorsements. Have any companies asked you to do that?

No. Just Rob T. and Bird One.

Companies pretty quiet for the most part!

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Marc Lee's Comment
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Thanks Big T.. Western Express is on the list of places I have applied, as are Roehl, Swift, Veriha, Millis, Millan, CRST, Decker, Marten, U.S. Express, West Side Transport, Thomas E. Keller, Stevens, Prime (rejected again) and TMC (short form but flatbed is not a good fit at my age).

Rob T.'s Comment
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No. Just Rob T. and Bird One.

ACTUALLY, you're the one who said you wont do it but didnt mention If you were asked to do so by a company. The reason I said that is Rick had mentioned a while back that he was told by jim palmer I believe that because it had been 10 years or so since he obtained his CDL but has no experience he would need to start all over. The point I was trying to make was I'd be doing anything these companies ask of me just to get my foot in the door. Your journey has been quite difficult and unfortunately many carriers may pass on you. Many consider you training stale as It's been 9(?) months since you obtained your license, you had a work injury very early at your first trucking job and now you've been sent home from Schneider. I really think you would benefit from a paid CDL training program and IF they ask you to downgrade and retest then that's what you need to if you want in. Don't give up, somebody will hire you.

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CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Bird-one's Comment
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Rob pretty much summed it up. I dont understand Marc what makes you think you have any bargaining chips at this point. If a company like Rhoel comes and says "Hey Marc we'd be happy to have you but you're going to have to start from square one with permit holders" Is that going to really be a deal breaker for you? Schneider gave you a shot to do it the way you wanted and you were unable. You are not going to be able to pick up where you left off with Hunt.

Rick S.'s Comment
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Thanks all!

Applied to 10-12 companies or so. One rejection (Prime, again, one "not in our hiring area", waiting or playing message tag with the rest. Applying as a CDL holder. Willing to do whatever (full class, or whatever). Just not turning in my license and endorsements to start over!

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For some companies they may want you to turn in your CDL and start over. When I applied to Jm Palmer - they wanted me to do that. I'm less worried about everything except my passenger endorsement, that cost extra and had to test extra for it. The rest of the endorsements (cost aside) are easier to get back.

When it comes down to it - from the sound of things, you are going to have to start from scratch SOMEWHERE, if you want to get behind the wheel again.

I'm in a similar boat - I've had my fully endorsed CDL/TWIC/Med Card for over a decade - and I (personally) would INSIST on signing a contract and re-training, because I just don't have to experience to even remotely desire to go out there without being trained again. And yes, I would be reluctant to give up my P endorsement - but when it comes right down to it - if I EVER get my butt out there in the field, I WOULD DO WHATEVER IS REQUIRED OF ME TO GET A SHOT AT THIS.

You got cut from Schneider because of "backing issues" - so obviously, you need more than a "basic refresher" - and there's NO SHAME IN THIS. But if you WANT the additional time/training to get "back up to snuff" - then you are going to need to start at the beginning.

Best of luck - keep us posted...

Rick

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

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