Rick!?? Technical Question

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Amber L.'s Comment
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So the picture is of the safety regulations book and I'm wondering if the editor's note that is highlighted applies to the other highlighted area or just the two paragraphs one above and one below.

The way it reads to me the editor's note isn't including (2) other highlighted area even though it has the star by it???

Also does "suspended enforcement" mean that you no longer need to do it or just that they won't put you out of service??

I brought up the two periods of rest between 1 and 5am with my teacher and he hadn't ever heard of it so I had to look it up. I trust the experience here far more than him!!

One more thingšŸ˜ he said that you cannot be on duty (not driving) after your 14 he clock is up?? The way I understood it from the log book section on here was that you couldn't drive after it but you could be on duty (not driving). I can't find the actual rule that specifies that, any idea where it is?

Thanks Rick!! And other that way in!!

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Rob T.'s Comment
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Im not too good at looking up the rules, but referring to "suspended 1am to 5am" that is no longer law. They had gotten rid of that completely earlier this year so the new books wont even list it.

You are correct about being on duty past your 14. Say you pull into a truckstop with only 3 minutes on your 14. You can still log post trip without racking up a violation, you just can not drive after 14 hours, or 8 hours into your shift without taking the required break. In my previous driving job it wasnt uncommon for me to pull into a stop with less than 10 minutes before my 8th hour requiring a 30 minute break. Well I wasnt going to sit in the restaurant parking lot before unloading them so I'd unload (sometimes take an hr) then log my 30 minute break before I could drive away. I Never got any HOS violations doing it that way. Also did a team run that I drove first then spent the other 7 hours the other guy drove "ON DUTY" so i could legally sit up front with him. That day ate up about 20 hours of my 70, no violation. My situation is much different than most here plus it was my last day of work so I'd get my reset and it wouldn't take away from my productivity

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Rob T.'s Comment
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referring to "suspended 1am to 5am" that is no longer law. They had gotten rid of that completely earlier this year so the new books wont even list it.

Apparently I'm talking out of my A**. I could have sworn I'd read that but now I cant find the story to back it up. It must have been one of the many changes they're working on.

Rob T.'s Comment
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Check outFederal register. My original answer was correct sorry for the confusion

SUMMARY: FMCSA amends its hours-of-service (HOS) requirements applicable to drivers of property-carrying commercial motor vehicles (CMVs) to remove provisions requiring that a 34-hour restart include two periods between 1 a.m. and 5 a.m. and limiting use of a restart to once every 168 Start Printed Page 48078 hoursā€”provisions that were promulgated in December 2011. In a series of Appropriations Acts, Congress suspended these provisions, pending completion of a naturalistic study comparing the effects of the restart provisions in effect under the 2011 rule versus provisions in effect prior to the 2011 rule's compliance date. The 2017 naturalistic study found no statistically significant benefits from the restart rule. Pursuant to a 2017 Appropriations Act, the 2011 restart rules are therefore void by operation of law. Although not in effect, the provisions remain in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), which could cause confusion for some stakeholders.

Commercial Motor Vehicle:

A commercial motor vehicle is any vehicle used in commerce to transport passengers or property with either:

  • A gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more
  • A gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more which includes a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds
  • CSA:

    Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

    The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

    FMCSA:

    Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

    The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

    What Does The FMCSA Do?

    • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
    • Data and Analysis
    • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
    • Research and Technology
    • Safety Assistance
    • Support and Information Sharing

    CMV:

    Commercial Motor Vehicle

    A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

    • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
    • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
    • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
    • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
    • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

    Fm:

    Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

    The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

    HOS:

    Hours Of Service

    HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Amber L.'s Comment
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Although not in effect, the provisions remain in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), which could cause confusion for some stakeholders.

Love this linešŸ¤Ŗ

Thanks Rob T!! I really appreciate it!

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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You can stay on duty forever, you just canā€™t drive.

The 1-5 rule was never enforced at all, and as Rob said was eliminated a few months ago.

Grumpy Old Man's Comment
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One of my coworkers argued you had to take your 30 minute break after 8 hours, and that you couldnā€™t do any on duty work such as loading, unloading, post trip, etc until you did.

You never have to take that 30 minute break, or your 20 hour, but you arenā€™t driving until you do.

Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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The editors note is simply stating they don't care about the 1am to 5am anymore as of 2014. That rule is now abolished completely

You can in fact be on duty beyond your 14, but must do a 10 hour off duty/sleeper break after to get your drive time back.

Amber L.'s Comment
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Thanks everyone! Maybe Brett could update the log book section as there is a lot of emphasis on the 1 to 5am rule.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Thanks everyone! Maybe Brett could update the log book section as there is a lot of emphasis on the 1 to 5am rule.

Yeah, I have to get that out of there.

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