Hair Follicle VS. Urine

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MEH's Comment
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Hello Everyone,

So I will be upfront and honest. I am switching careers from medical to OTR driving. I am an addict in recovery. I have been clean for awhile but worried about potentially not passing a fair follicle test. What companies offer just urine testing and CDL Training? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Disrespectful comments are not necessary as you don't know me or my life and I don't know you or your life. Thank you!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Turtle's Comment
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Welcome, Michael.

Nobody here will disrespect you for past choices.

We will however strongly recommend that you do not take any drug test until you are absolutely 100% positive you will pass. A failed test, urine or hair, is the kiss of death for a driving career. Your safest bet would be to wait at least 6 months to a year between your last usage and taking the plunge.

Here is a list of some individual companies, and their requirements. Keep in mind that companies can switch their policies at any time.

Urine or hair testing by company.

Errol V.'s Comment
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As an added fact, the hair follicle test only looks at the last 90 days of hair length. The use of hair testing is not, of course, up to you. But it is also not the required test by FMCSA. The Feds are still requiring the urine test for CMV drug testing. However, using other methods of drug testing is up to the company, and the hiring decision is strictly up to them.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Rick S.'s Comment
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Hello Everyone,

So I will be upfront and honest. I am switching careers from medical to OTR driving. I am an addict in recovery. I have been clean for awhile but worried about potentially not passing a fair follicle test. What companies offer just urine testing and CDL Training? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Disrespectful comments are not necessary as you don't know me or my life and I don't know you or your life. Thank you!

Congrats on your sobriety. Coming up on 20 continuous myself (and just passed 31 from "the REALLY bad things").

But don't get all "uppity" either.

Depending on the particular substance, how long you've been abstinent and your metabolism - upwards of 90 days to 6 months.

They're only "supposed to" test the last 90 days of growth (first 1.5" of hair from scalp).

Keep in mind that synthetic opiates take a while to "leech" from your system, as does heavy weed use (especially the stuff that's out there now - though us "Deadheads" have been smoking that skunk bud since the '70's).

Also remember - no "major decisions" in the first year. But if you're switching jobs because you screwed up the medical career - companies WILL CHECK REFERENCES.

Also - right now, companies aren't doing any orientations - and you will pretty much not find a SCHOOL that's enrolling CDL (or any) students. Social distancing and all.

A number of members here, have had their orientations PUSHED BACK - because of the current COVID-19 situation.

Rick

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Deadhead:

To drive with an empty trailer. After delivering your load you will deadhead to a shipper to pick up your next load.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Rob D.'s Comment
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Rick says:

A number of members here, have had their orientations PUSHED BACK - because of the current COVID-19 situation.

My Prime orientation was pushed back from March 23 to April 6, and as of today, April 8.

I will also add that Prime is not taking anyone from any of the "hotspots," although they didn't give me a list. I haven't been out of my house essentially since March 13 and haven't interacted with anyone other than immediate family members. So I didn't need a list to say "no." There are several other questions they asked after Coronaggedon began that an affirmative answer to those most likely would have nixed my orientation slot.

BTW, so far Prime only had me do a urine test.

Good luck.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
HtRedNeck's Comment
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Hello Everyone,

So I will be upfront and honest. I am switching careers from medical to OTR driving. I am an addict in recovery. I have been clean for awhile but worried about potentially not passing a fair follicle test. What companies offer just urine testing and CDL Training? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Disrespectful comments are not necessary as you don't know me or my life and I don't know you or your life. Thank you!

Michael-

Tons of other resources on here too while waiting on orientation or the DMV to open again, (like I am)

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CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Delco Dave's Comment
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while waiting on orientation or the DMV to open again, (like I am)

There are quite a few of us sitting in limbo around here waiting for the world to open for business again so we can go to training.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

MEH's Comment
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What's your update? How's it going?

Rick says:

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A number of members here, have had their orientations PUSHED BACK - because of the current COVID-19 situation.

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My Prime orientation was pushed back from March 23 to April 6, and as of today, April 8.

I will also add that Prime is not taking anyone from any of the "hotspots," although they didn't give me a list. I haven't been out of my house essentially since March 13 and haven't interacted with anyone other than immediate family members. So I didn't need a list to say "no." There are several other questions they asked after Coronaggedon began that an affirmative answer to those most likely would have nixed my orientation slot.

BTW, so far Prime only had me do a urine test.

Good luck.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Rob D.'s Comment
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Michael,

I am in the PSD phase just waiting for a flatbed trainer, but spending a TON of time on the practice pad WATCHING backing.

Maybe today I'll get to drive?

Check the diaries section for all the details.

Rob.

PSD:

Prime Student Driver

Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.

The following is from Prime's website:

Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.

Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days

  • Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
  • Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
  • Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).

On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles

  • Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
  • Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
  • Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.
MEH's Comment
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What's new how's Prime going?

Michael,

I am in the PSD phase just waiting for a flatbed trainer, but spending a TON of time on the practice pad WATCHING backing.

Maybe today I'll get to drive?

Check the diaries section for all the details.

Rob.

PSD:

Prime Student Driver

Prime Inc has a CDL training program and the first phase is referred to as PSD. You'll get your permit and then 10,000 miles of on the road instruction.

The following is from Prime's website:

Prime’s PSD begins with you obtaining your CDL permit. Then you’ll go on the road with a certified CDL instructor for no less than 75 hours of one-on-one behind the wheel training. After training, you’ll return to Prime’s corporate headquarters in Springfield, Missouri, for final CDL state testing and your CDL license.

Obtain CDL Permit / 4 Days

  • Enter program, study and test for Missouri CDL permit.
  • Start driving/training at Prime Training Center in Springfield, Missouri.
  • Work toward 40,000 training dispatched miles (minimum) with food allowance while without CDL (Food allowance is paid back with future earnings).

On-the-Road Instruction / 10,000 Miles

  • Train with experienced certified CDL instructor for 3-4 weeks in a real world environment.
  • Get 75 hours of behind-the-wheel time with one-on-one student/instructor ratio.
  • Earn 10,000 miles toward total 40,000 miles needed.
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