Bad Experience Or Am I The Problem?

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Truckin Along With Kearse's Comment
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I was reading and thought. "The first guy is insecure....the second one is aggressive..and the third is belittling. When the company offered another trainer, it wasn't good enough. This student is the problem".

With the school and head on thing...as a trainer i understand. Just because someone is supposed to yield, doesn't mean they do. Many of us have seen tons of accidents this way. I just got nervous today cause my codriver was about to go around a truck that was backing up and he couldn't see us in his mirrors. She claims she wasn't going to do it but it sure felt as though she was.

They offered to swap trainers. You weren't satisfied with the new guy. They offered to swap again...and you still arent satisfied

You are constantly harping on non training issues. Talk or text on your 10 hour break outside of the truck as it seems you are running the truck solo. Ignore the comments.

You need a thicker skin out here cause there will be beeping and yelling at you from other drivers. What will you do then? Shake it off or harp on it and have and accident?

How long as this training?

IDMtnGal 's Comment
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I know I’m new to all this - but.... I thought the same thing!

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Good grief! Is there a full moon out? Two, beyond strange posts! I just got up...I need some coffee I guess to make sense of these guys.

Laura

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Got my coffee, walked Monty, did 732 miles in 10 hrs 40 mins AND I've read all the comments....still strange to me. I checked out the moon, it is not anywhere close to being full.

Laura

G-Town's Comment
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I know I’m new to all this - but.... I thought the same thing!

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Good grief! Is there a full moon out? Two, beyond strange posts! I just got up...I need some coffee I guess to make sense of these guys.

Laura

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Got my coffee, walked Monty, did 732 miles in 10 hrs 40 mins AND I've read all the comments....still strange to me. I checked out the moon, it is not anywhere close to being full.

Laura

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87Wrangler 's Comment
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Am I missing something here? You guys basically say he needs tougher skin?

This is a trainee, in a new environment, and an intimidating one just by itself. I really do not see where anyone should have to take ANY abuse. Period!

Especially from a mentor, or someone TRAINING you, this is not the military, it's a civilian job.

Come on guys, a trainer knowing, that you are in an unfamiliar environment , with essentially no one for support other than a person who is calling you a liar, and backs up controlling, manipulative statements with fists. This is not the normal being tough on the new kid on the block kind of thing here.

This idiot thinks he can tell you how your wife should think ect.? Come on... You can tell that the poster is a courteous by how he speaks...

I have trained many people in my life, many who had been tossed from job site to job site. I knew a tough one was coming just by the look on the owners face as he approached me, telling me he was sending another new guy out to the jobsite...

Funny thing is in time I realized that both the trainee and the trainer were still learning. Life life is like that, no matter how many times you have done something you can reflect and always learn more about the same thing. I like to think of it as refining.

And one more thing I personally think you should never judge someone based on rumors or how many times they fall down, but rather by how many times the get up and try again...Sometimes its the heart that needs the most. You would be surprised by how much one encouraging word from a trainer can change someone's whole entire attitude and start bringing success for everyone involved, including the trainer!

You do have the power of life and death in your tongue!!

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

87Wrangler 's Comment
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A funny thing is actually most turned out to be very productive. Everyone one is different and as a trainer it's your job to find out what works or doesn't work? Your job is to teach and make money for your company...I was a firm believer that as a working supervisor, if my jobs made money it was my fault, and if my jobs didnt make money it was still my fault......I only had one that sent home in over 10 years of working and training. The little **** still has my borrowed fat max tape and torpedo level.

Respect goes both ways, but can tell you if the above statements were correct and we have no reason to not believe the poster.

If I had been in that situation it would have been a one time event, no more chances, after I made good and sure that he knew to let's keep this venture on a professional and business like level from this point forward..

Plus would clarify that MY wife or MY family is of no one and I mean no one elses concern and that in all reality it would be best to keep statements about my wife , you know RESPECTFUL and NORMAL...Period.

I am just a man like anyone else. Not claiming to be tough here

but if I had been eyeballed, talked to like that and then had it backed it up with words and a stare down, in a two on one situation between two ****head friends and myself

Job or no job, cab ride home, hitchhiking or whatever it took after to get back home after the altercation

Someone would have been picking up some teeth, maybe me, maybe both, but that would have been where a straight left followed by a right hook, few possible uppercuts and maybe even a few good kicks would have been talking for me.

I will be the first one to apologize to the poster for their behavior and hope you do not give up until you get the training you signed up for. By a competent person with some integrity

...Not a moron whose wife probably wears the pants in the family at home, so he has to act all tough and billy bad a## to someone who clearly, undoubtedly needs his help! As a matter of fact his help would be vital to the trainee..

Not to mention isn't a trainer someone who has already agreed to help others by being a trainer?

O wait he probably signed up just for the pay increase and is on the brink of losing everything anyway, including his wife...just a hunch.

The trainer is who better have some tough skin, this idiot would not survive on a southern commercial job site for long! That I do know!

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Don's Comment
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Although I believe a trainee has to make minor compromises and deal with some issues not to their liking, if everything the OP stated is factual, then I don't think he is the issue. No way in Hell would I put up with the garbage "trainer #3" is committing. To my understanding, a trainer is supposed to assist training a new driver to make them a competent driver and has the skills to be out solo. A trainer does not have the right to insinuate, swear at, threaten or just be an all-around d**k because they think they can. If the trainer is intimidating or threatening with violence, he has to be reported. I thank my lucky stars I had s terrific trainer. I can only imagine how many new drivers fresh out of school have quit because they were paired up with incompetent jackwagons.

A funny thing is actually most turned out to be very productive. Everyone one is different and as a trainer it's your job to find out what works or doesn't work? Your job is to teach and make money for your company...I was a firm believer that as a working supervisor, if my jobs made money it was my fault, and if my jobs didnt make money it was still my fault......I only had one that sent home in over 10 years of working and training. The little **** still has my borrowed fat max tape and torpedo level.

Respect goes both ways, but can tell you if the above statements were correct and we have no reason to not believe the poster.

If I had been in that situation it would have been a one time event, no more chances, after I made good and sure that he knew to let's keep this venture on a professional and business like level from this point forward..

Plus would clarify that MY wife or MY family is of no one and I mean no one elses concern and that in all reality it would be best to keep statements about my wife , you know RESPECTFUL and NORMAL...Period.

I am just a man like anyone else. Not claiming to be tough here

but if I had been eyeballed, talked to like that and then had it backed it up with words and a stare down, in a two on one situation between two ****head friends and myself

Job or no job, cab ride home, hitchhiking or whatever it took after to get back home after the altercation

Someone would have been picking up some teeth, maybe me, maybe both, but that would have been where a straight left followed by a right hook, few possible uppercuts and maybe even a few good kicks would have been talking for me.

I will be the first one to apologize to the poster for their behavior and hope you do not give up until you get the training you signed up for. By a competent person with some integrity

...Not a moron whose wife probably wears the pants in the family at home, so he has to act all tough and billy bad a## to someone who clearly, undoubtedly needs his help! As a matter of fact his help would be vital to the trainee..

Not to mention isn't a trainer someone who has already agreed to help others by being a trainer?

O wait he probably signed up just for the pay increase and is on the brink of losing everything anyway, including his wife...just a hunch.

The trainer is who better have some tough skin, this idiot would not survive on a southern commercial job site for long! That I do know!

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Davy A.'s Comment
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Im new, its only my 3rd day in school but...

I really cant stress the value of paragraphs. They are very useful, Id say even mandatory these days. Just a thought. Sure, it could be a typing issue, or English comp. It also could be a sign of ADHD. In general, I wonder if there is a bit of almost manic or rabid thought switching happening in the OP's thought process, with each thought having the same importance as all others. In other words, an inability to focus and sort out important details from less important details.

Im split in my thinking on this in general. I come from a work background that the FNG gets the crappy end of the stick, gets no respect because they havent earned it and better work their ass off. I also come from a work environment that violence occurs in regularly. Or rather it used to before the participation trophy generation started in on things. But basically if someone was skilled, and they were teaching you, You kept your mouth shut, said "Yes Sir!" and went about your business. If the boss was a real Richard Head, physical combat was not entirely off the table. I have seen some pretty serious fights between the various trades. In fact my first boss used to slap me upside the head with a cedar shake every time I made a mistake. It may not have been pleasant, but I sure as heck learned quickly. It also wasnt uncommon to have several of us stuck in a hotel room for weeks on end. Not pleasant, but it happens. So a large part of me says toughen up, shut up, get up and get going.

But, on the other hand. We should be treated professionally and treat others professionally. Especially if we want to do our part to bring about some professionalism and personal growth to our industry. I only have two weeks of training to do at my company prior to going solo. If my trainer is giving me the information, skills and knowledge to have success in this industry, He could be a died in the wool communist for all I care, Ill keep my mouth shut, do my job, make it work and get on down the road.

Anne A. (G13Momcat)'s Comment
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Davy,

Congrats on your progress, for sure. Yes, I've been around for awile, but ...I still got 'edumacated' on how to post properly on this forum, by the 'one and only ... ' wait for it . . . .the one and only .... YESSIR, PackRat.

Secret is,

Hit enter TWICE for a new paragraph. I was guilty, as well; not so long ago. Protocol would have you space the 'next' lead in sentence, with five spaces before typing. Try that; it doesn't work. HTML, unless otherwise set up, is mostly left aligned. Unless you know code, and some do, the double enter will give the space to be considered a paragraph.

I've been told it's 'common sense' with the preview button, and all. Who knows; > (The O/P could be a 'dyed in the wool' sheeple, as well!! LoL.. carry on!)

Sorry..... wish y'all the best!!!

~ Anne ~

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Brian C.'s Comment
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Thanks 87 Wrangler and Don.

Everything I stated before is factual. The 1st trainer was abusing his power according to the 1st company that I went to. They investigated looked at the video and students came forward on my behalf without my involvement. I was asked to return but decided against it after being pulled in the office by the trainer and his manager. This left a bad taste in my mouth being accused of things that did not happen.

I went to the next company and the trainer snored very loud do to a medical condition. I failed to mention in my previous novel that he lost 5 other students due to this issue. I think he was upset that I got off his truck and shed this problem to light again. The company and the trainer made me aware of the 5 other students.

The 3rd trainer was friends with the 2nd trainer. When the 2nd trainer acted very aggressive at a truck stop in Arizona the 3rd trainer acted like I should take it. I firmly believe that the 2nd trainer was using repressed anger about the snoring. I stood up to the snoring trainer and it was not well received. I informed the 3rd trainer that I felt his friend is a trainer and myself a student that his behavior was inappropriate. Once this happened things got much worse as in my previous posts. According to him I was doing well till this took place. He informed me that I probably would not make in trucking. As I posted before he did several other things. I did everything the trainers told me to do without complaint. I felt my dignity and humanity was under attack because certain people feel superiority is more important to them than actually training.

As I stated before trainer 3 let me know that trainer 2 did not like me and stated that he didn't know what to think of me. I'm introverted and both of them are extroverted which is no ones fault. I tried to tweak my personality a bit but it did not work. I'm a very serious person and they did not like that. In my mind none of that should matter. I'm the student and they are the trainer. In my opinion being there, trainer 3 tried hard to press me to give in on not me being myself. I even told him that I was doing EVERYTHING he asked but people should be allowed to be themselves. He told me without hesitation "Not on my truck". After 16 days of this with 13 to go I could not take it anymore.

Luckily I have a friend that is trying to find me a trainer. He found someone I know and knows my personality. Hopefully all this will come to fruition. If it doesn't work out then I'm going to keep trying. I'm damn proud that I obtained my CDL as I know all of you are. I want to be a driver like all of you are. I want to say one day that I'm damn proud to be a truck driver like I know you all are. I need a job not personality conflicts. For those that have given me positive posts I thank you. For those that question my story or post laughs at me I thank you as well. You are all a prime example of why truck drivers make this country so great. Thanks

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
G-Town's Comment
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Experience has taught me there are always two sides to every story and that somewhere in the middle is the truth.

I believe that to be the case here.

The common denominator in all 3 scenarios is you Brian. All we heard is the faults of the trainers. What about you? Not trying to invalidate your experience, trying to ground you in the reality of your world now. At the end of every day out here, it’s about “you”, the driver and nothing else.

For your sake and your future career, take ownership and look within yourself for solutions. What you experienced thus far is a fraction of the challenges you will face in the future. My advice? Think about how you can and should adjust to what is happening. Adjustments is vitally important to success and self-preservation.

Good luck.

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