HOS Rules; New 8/2 Or 7/3 Split

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Bobcat_Bob's Comment
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Me and my co-driver have disagreements on how he wastes lots time. Me I will do my 30 DOT ,while fueling, spend maybe 15 mins or less fuelin move off pump, go in grab fast coffee n a snack or 2, and soon as my 31st minute clicks I am rolling! Will clock fueling later

Technically, you are in violation as you can't be doing truck stuff while "off duty". Your co-driver is doing it correctly, I have on occasion done l truck stuff while on break however you shouldn't expect everyone to do it that way.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Old School's Comment
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Yeah, I would never clock my fueling later. The way the new rule works is both on duty and off duty time count toward your thirty minute break. Unless CRST has your Qualcomm settings all messed up, you should be able to do ten or fifteen minutes "on duty," and then the remainder "off duty" while going inside the store. The combination of those when equaling thirty minutes (or 31, as you put it) should qualify for your 30 minute break.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Bobcat_Bob's Comment
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Not sure about Iowa but here in Illinois we still have to do a 30 minute "off duty" break.

Old School's Comment
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Bobcat, it's not different state by state. The new rule clearly states the thirty minute break can be taken as "on or off duty" time or a combination of the two. The problem comes in where different E-log providers have not got their units set up properly, or companies don't fully understand the new rules and have the parameters in their E-logs set the way they want them.

Stevo Reno's Comment
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Lol Old Skool I mighta not said it totally clear lol ......I work my clocks "legally" and our QC is set up properly. I or we fuel multiple times a day.Don't run fuel level down past 1/4 tank.

CRST says keep tanks full, especially during the cold or high heat. Since you don't wanna get stuck someplace and not have plenty of fuel for idling for comfort.

Off Duty, is my time, so I choose to refuel during that time sometimes. Since I do log on duty for fueling. I don't need to sit around or whatever idle for 30 minutes lol am trying to get most out of my shift (600-700 miles). Basicly my logs are good, legal, and I ain't worried about getting inspected.

Which in last 20+ months was only ONCE, and a level 1, easily passed..... We both pre-trip daily, we find bad trailer tires etc, and right to Love's to fix. Seems we been getting screwed on bad empties, others have dropped off with issues. Even a couple loaded trailers, had 1 or 2 bad tires we had to get replaced.

Not like DOT or CRST are out there watching every second HAHAHA, Sometimes, we have HAD to make U-Turns against policy BUT we find a huge area to do so, like say shopping center etc not in roadways or traffic blockage.....

Couple months more, and all this trucking adventure, will be but a memory. @ the very latest, on Sept 9th, I will quit driving. my 2nd anniversary.... And on my moms 79th birthday, when I began this journey, I will also end it then..... She would'a been 81 this year

Lookin forward to retirement and moving to Asia for part 2 of life thank-you-2.gif

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Noob_Driver's Comment
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You can do your 30 at anytime with any status other than driving now, in any combination. At least the on my qualcomm. You can split it with 15 min on duty fueling and 15 minutes off duty. You can also do it during a drop and hook. On duty yard move, drop your trailer then drive to your loaded on yard move. On duty loading time. A few more minutes off duty and your good to go.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

Bobcat_Bob's Comment
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Old School, we where told very clearly any drivers based in Illinois and a couple other states have to do a 30 minute off duty break. We can still use the new rules to reset the 8 hour window BUT we still have to log a 30 minute off duty break at somepoint.

It may have more to do with Illinois labor laws than anything, however they notified us about a week after the new rules went into effect.

Davy A.'s Comment
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Spent 2 hours there. It paused my 14 hour where it was at 2pm (had like 6 hours left on it. When I shut down down that evening, I did 8 hours sleeper berth and got a fresh 11 and 14.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "fresh," but for those who are just learning this stuff, a split will not restore a full clock on your 11 or 14. Only a straight ten hour break will do that. A split break will partially restore your 11 and 14 according to your prior drive and on duty times used.

You have to meet these requirements:

  • Make sure you meet the two minimum requirements. (2 hours and 7 hours)
  • Make sure your combined breaks equal 10 hours.
  • Make sure the longer break is logged in the sleeper.

That is the basics. If we need to discuss this deeper, I'd be glad to throw in some more information.

Im confused as to why it gave me a full 11 hour and 14 hour clock after the 8 hours now. If it helps I had taken a 30 min break before I did the first 2 hours sleeper berth. Did it count the 2 plus 8 as 10 because I had the 30 min break too? Also, if it helps clarify it was a bit over 8.5 I also? Sorry, not meaning to hijack the thread. I mainly did the split berth in that instance just to pause my 14 hour, I wasnt as much concerned about shutting down for 8 or 10 hours after.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
PJ's Comment
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That sounds like a company policy. To my knowledge the individual states do not have the authority to override the feds on HOS.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Bobcat_Bob's Comment
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That sounds like a company policy. To my knowledge the individual states do not have the authority to override the feds on HOS

I didnt think so either, but it wouldn't surprise me if Illinois found a way.

My meet driver is based out of Ohio she doesn't have to, nor do drivers in Indiana or Wisconsin just Illinois and there where a few more I do not remember. They came out at somepoint and removed a few from the list, just not Illinois.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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