Company Said I Failed A Hair Test But I Didn’t
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Hello Jim, it really sucks for you, that is a tough predicament you have put yourself in. You probably didn't fail Warners test. You obviously used Marijuana while working at Pam or you wouldn't have taken and paid for a hair follicle test on your own. I'd bet you that the home testing method is a cheaper test and not as accurate or doesn't go as in depth as Werners commercial/professional tests. You have not only managed to screw the pooch with Warner but also with Pam and any other company. This is exactly why we always say Marijuana is a no no under any circumstance while driving a truck. If you knew you had been smoking, which you obviously had been, you should have waited at least 6-8 months prior to taking a hair test. Having cut your hair several times. You may be able to get a second chance company to take you on but its gonna be an uphill battle and you may need a SAP program. Good luck.
SAP:
Substance Abuse Professional
The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.
Jim,
Why did you do your own hair follicle test to start with? It seems to me that you were smoking pot, and you wanted to see if it showed up in your hair.
Jim,
This is entirely on you. You knew what you were doing, you knew you were putting your career in jeopardy, and now you're acting like a child accusing these companies of falsifying your drug test. You cry discrimination, but let me explain something to you: being a user of illegal drugs (MJ is still illegal at the federal level, and DOT is very clear on this,) is not a protected class. It's a ridiculous statement. Both Werner and Pam are reputable companies. Man up and do what you have to do to return to duty.
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
EPU:
Electric Auxiliary Power Units
Electric APUs have started gaining acceptance. These electric APUs use battery packs instead of the diesel engine on traditional APUs as a source of power. The APU's battery pack is charged when the truck is in motion. When the truck is idle, the stored energy in the battery pack is then used to power an air conditioner, heater, and other devices
Jim you stated you have a small dilema, this is not very small in my ooinion. It’s a pretty big deal.
You didn’t say how long you have been with PAM. My guess is not very long. How much driving experience do you have?? Why did you feel the need to do a home test before going to Werner?? You state the test result came back a week later when they called you in the office.
Not all drug tests have the same threshholds for the test. The nanograms can be different. Your saying you took 3 tests in all, but they all could have had different cutoff levels. Too say you passed 2 and failed 1 can be a very true statement. For legal accuracy and to know if someone tampered with one, you have to establish all 3 had the exact same cutoff levels.
As far as terminated from Werner I’m assuming they hired you during the orientation process, therefore by the time the result came back you were their employee. You have placed yourself in a very big uphill battle. At this point you can choose to fight Werner in court or apply everywhere and hope someone will give you a shot. That depends on your honesty with them and level of experience.
OOS:
When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.
Couldn't read it with no punctuation.
I would not try to call "BS" on any trucking company concerning drug testing.
Homey dont play!
So I have a small dilemma… i’ve been with PAM for sometime now doing OTR but I originally signed with PAM to be home daily so I end up staying with PAM and do an OTR into a home daily position came available that home daily position never came available so warner constantly would call me periodically trying to get me to work for them I declined the first offer but they were still insist on calling me and giving me a better offer so I finally said fine I’ll go to Warner before I made that decision to go with them I already knew they did hair follicle test so before I went to warner to do a hair follicle with them. I ordered my own personal test and the results came back negative so I went to the orientation with one or the next day after orientation I did the hair follicle test with them and the urine sample a week later they pulled me in the office made a big scene and I’m thinking what’s going on they say your hair follicle test came back positive For marijuana when I told him that’s a little strange because I took a personal test and it came back negative if we were able to retake the test then because something could of happen for it to result in that way. They said no we would like to let you go so I thought that was odd too so I took another personal test paid 150 for it and the results came back again Negative so I called warner back gave them both test results from doctor and they said will there’s still nothing we can do so it’s not Gonna be on ur DAC report as Failing drug test nor clearing house but it will be on your DAC as termination … Termination how is it going to be on my DAC report as termination when I was never hired? So I decided to go back to PAM they welcome me back with welcoming arms until they pulled my DAC report…. PAM called me and said it says you’ve been terminated from Werner why was you terminated I gave them the honest truth and I also presented them both hair follicle test showing that I was negative but for some reason they’re saying that I was positive…. The recruiter with PAM then said OK I’m gonna relay this information to safety we’re going to have to hold on real quick on the rehire the next day comes and the recruiter calls me back and says we’re going to unfortunately have to decline on the rehire….(even tho I PAM DONT EVEN DO HAIR TEST AND IF THEY DID I WOULD PASS IT TOO) So I am now starting to feel like I was discriminated against with Warner and I feel like they purposely falsified my hair follicle test…. Another lady from PAM calls me and says I know if you people from Warner I will give them a call to see if they could take it off the recruiter from PAM also told me to contact DAC And dispute it so I try to dispute it DAC contacts Mia week later and says we can’t take it off because one or said that it was true which makes no sense the other lady from PAM called me back and said she contacted warner about what’s going on and they’re saying they will not take it off and if you want us to take it off then you will have go about it in legal matter … So now I feel like Warner had purposely screwed me in my career over and I don’t know what to do now… Now on the DAC report it says terminated only is there a explaination I can give jobs as to why I was terminated if they don’t call Werner ?
Werner IS A FCKD UP COMPANY FOR THIS SERIOUSLY I ALSO contacted headquarters and spoke to the head of safety and when I told him what happened and gave him evidence in the document saying that I’m actually negative he got a attitude with me
Trucker to trucker HELP A BROTHER ON THIS SITUATION PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE it only shows on DAC but not on clearinghouse because it’s hair follicle but I never failed a hair test in my life unless it was tampered (WERNER)
If you are with PAM in Willard, Ohio . . . walk up 224 (or drive) and see if Dutch Maid might like you.
Serious.
~ Anne ~
OTR:
Over The Road
OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
OWI:
Operating While Intoxicated
So I have a small dilemma… i’ve been with PAM for sometime now doing OTR but I originally signed with PAM to be home daily so I end up staying with PAM and do an OTR into a home daily position came available that home daily position never came available so warner constantly would call me periodically trying to get me to work for them I declined the first offer but they were still insist on calling me and giving me a better offer so I finally said fine I’ll go to Warner before I made that decision to go with them I already knew they did hair follicle test so before I went to warner to do a hair follicle with them. I ordered my own personal test and the results came back negative so I went to the orientation with one or the next day after orientation I did the hair follicle test with them and the urine sample a week later they pulled me in the office made a big scene and I’m thinking what’s going on they say your hair follicle test came back positive For marijuana when I told him that’s a little strange because I took a personal test and it came back negative if we were able to retake the test then because something could of happen for it to result in that way. They said no we would like to let you go so I thought that was odd too so I took another personal test paid 150 for it and the results came back again Negative so I called warner back gave them both test results from doctor and they said will there’s still nothing we can do so it’s not Gonna be on ur DAC report as Failing drug test nor clearing house but it will be on your DAC as termination … Termination how is it going to be on my DAC report as termination when I was never hired? So I decided to go back to PAM they welcome me back with welcoming arms until they pulled my DAC report…. PAM called me and said it says you’ve been terminated from Werner why was you terminated I gave them the honest truth and I also presented them both hair follicle test showing that I was negative but for some reason they’re saying that I was positive…. The recruiter with PAM then said OK I’m gonna relay this information to safety we’re going to have to hold on real quick on the rehire the next day comes and the recruiter calls me back and says we’re going to unfortunately have to decline on the rehire….(even tho I PAM DONT EVEN DO HAIR TEST AND IF THEY DID I WOULD PASS IT TOO) So I am now starting to feel like I was discriminated against with Warner and I feel like they purposely falsified my hair follicle test…. Another lady from PAM calls me and says I know if you people from Warner I will give them a call to see if they could take it off the recruiter from PAM also told me to contact DAC And dispute it so I try to dispute it DAC contacts Mia week later and says we can’t take it off because one or said that it was true which makes no sense the other lady from PAM called me back and said she contacted warner about what’s going on and they’re saying they will not take it off and if you want us to take it off then you will have go about it in legal matter … So now I feel like Warner had purposely screwed me in my career over and I don’t know what to do now… Now on the DAC report it says terminated only is there a explaination I can give jobs as to why I was terminated if they don’t call Werner ?
Werner IS A FCKD UP COMPANY FOR THIS SERIOUSLY I ALSO contacted headquarters and spoke to the head of safety and when I told him what happened and gave him evidence in the document saying that I’m actually negative he got a attitude with me
Trucker to trucker HELP A BROTHER ON THIS SITUATION PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE it only shows on DAC but not on clearinghouse because it’s hair follicle but I never failed a hair test in my life unless it was tampered (WERNER)
If you are with PAM in Willard, Ohio . . . walk up 224 (or drive) and see if Dutch Maid might like you.
Serious.
~ Anne ~
PAM Transport has terminals all over the US. I suspect that after not receiving the help he sought that Jim may not be back, but I could be wrong. Since I could be wrong...
Jim, just as others have pointed out, it makes no sense that you would perform a hair follicle test on yourself unless you thought that it could come back positive. Just as others have pointed out, you miscalculated because you didn't ask Werner how far back they go on hair follicle testing. Even if your home test was the same sensitivity as to the amount of THC needed to register a positive reading, I can almost guarantee that your home test didn't go as far back as Werner's test.
TransAm and Dutch Maid Logistics are two companies that may consider you. If TransAm is not willing to give you an opportunity (they will take just about anyone that federal regulation allows to drive a CMV across state lines), then I think your career is dead in the water for a couple of years, at least.
Moral of the story: Don't smoke pot and expect to have a career in trucking.
Terminal:
A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.
OTR:
Over The Road
OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.
CMV:
Commercial Motor Vehicle
A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:
- Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
- Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
- Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
- Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
- Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
OWI:
Operating While Intoxicated
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So I have a small dilemma… i’ve been with PAM for sometime now doing OTR but I originally signed with PAM to be home daily so I end up staying with PAM and do an OTR into a home daily position came available that home daily position never came available so warner constantly would call me periodically trying to get me to work for them I declined the first offer but they were still insist on calling me and giving me a better offer so I finally said fine I’ll go to Warner before I made that decision to go with them I already knew they did hair follicle test so before I went to warner to do a hair follicle with them. I ordered my own personal test and the results came back negative so I went to the orientation with one or the next day after orientation I did the hair follicle test with them and the urine sample a week later they pulled me in the office made a big scene and I’m thinking what’s going on they say your hair follicle test came back positive For marijuana when I told him that’s a little strange because I took a personal test and it came back negative if we were able to retake the test then because something could of happen for it to result in that way. They said no we would like to let you go so I thought that was odd too so I took another personal test paid 150 for it and the results came back again Negative so I called warner back gave them both test results from doctor and they said will there’s still nothing we can do so it’s not Gonna be on ur DAC report as Failing drug test nor clearing house but it will be on your DAC as termination … Termination how is it going to be on my DAC report as termination when I was never hired? So I decided to go back to PAM they welcome me back with welcoming arms until they pulled my DAC report…. PAM called me and said it says you’ve been terminated from Werner why was you terminated I gave them the honest truth and I also presented them both hair follicle test showing that I was negative but for some reason they’re saying that I was positive…. The recruiter with PAM then said OK I’m gonna relay this information to safety we’re going to have to hold on real quick on the rehire the next day comes and the recruiter calls me back and says we’re going to unfortunately have to decline on the rehire….(even tho I PAM DONT EVEN DO HAIR TEST AND IF THEY DID I WOULD PASS IT TOO) So I am now starting to feel like I was discriminated against with Warner and I feel like they purposely falsified my hair follicle test…. Another lady from PAM calls me and says I know if you people from Warner I will give them a call to see if they could take it off the recruiter from PAM also told me to contact DAC And dispute it so I try to dispute it DAC contacts Mia week later and says we can’t take it off because one or said that it was true which makes no sense the other lady from PAM called me back and said she contacted warner about what’s going on and they’re saying they will not take it off and if you want us to take it off then you will have go about it in legal matter … So now I feel like Warner had purposely screwed me in my career over and I don’t know what to do now… Now on the DAC report it says terminated only is there a explaination I can give jobs as to why I was terminated if they don’t call Werner ?
Werner IS A FCKD UP COMPANY FOR THIS SERIOUSLY I ALSO contacted headquarters and spoke to the head of safety and when I told him what happened and gave him evidence in the document saying that I’m actually negative he got a attitude with me
Trucker to trucker HELP A BROTHER ON THIS SITUATION PLEASE GIVE ME SOME ADVICE it only shows on DAC but not on clearinghouse because it’s hair follicle but I never failed a hair test in my life unless it was tampered (WERNER)
OTR:
Over The Road
OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.
DAC:
Drive-A-Check Report
A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).
It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.
Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
OWI:
Operating While Intoxicated