T-force Is A Failure

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Banks's Comment
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I've spoken to some FXF drivers that have terrible management and it sounds like they work for a different company. You also have the guys that complain no matter what.

T Force is definitely struggling right now..UPS never put any effort in the company and only used to it build parcel. When they sold, they lost so many customers because using package services got you a 90% discount on freight services (not a typo). When customers lost that discount, they moved on to more efficient reliable companies.

TFI fired all of the sales people at T Force and kept the bloated management system UPSF had in place. From what I've heard, some buildings have more managers than drivers.

They're definitely failing. It's a perfect storm of problems over there. They can't get drivers because they can't get trucks or parts to repair trucks. Low on trucks and drivers means they miss a lot of deliveries and pick ups. No deliveries and pick ups means no revenue steam to buy trucks and hire drivers.

It's hard for an LTL driver to jump ship. They put too much equity in seniority and sometimes it's justified.. It's hard to go from making 100k a year with your pick of the litter to 60k a year getting whatever is left over.

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier
Robert T.'s Comment
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They certainly dont understand a terminal. This isnt just my opinion gents, there isnt a single person at my terminal thats happy with the company. We try to tell the higher ups how bad the situation is, and they just blame us. A lot of our middle management has never been in a truck, never driven a forklift, they just assume they know these things.

Robert wrote:

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Because I have faith in TFI, they need to see what the employees are disgruntled about. Im trying to save this company.

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You threw them under the bus...and then you claim you want to save them? JV.

We are drivers here. The point of this site is to assist people trying to get a good start on a driving career.

I think you took a wrong turn and are in the wrong room.

As you say, this is to assist people trying to get a good start on a driving career. Do you want a good driving career? Go elsewhere, T Force isnt it.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Robert T.'s Comment
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Going elsewhere isn't as simple as you think either, it took me 14 years to get a full time status here.

Kandyman's Comment
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Upsers?

Rob T.'s Comment
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Have you spoken to your boss? Follow the chain of command and speak your mind in a respectful professional manner. If all else fails plenty of LTL carriers are hiring. Losing seniority sucks but if you're that unhappy it may do you some good to look elsewhere and atleast consider your options. Why didn't you get paid last week?

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier
Mikey B.'s Comment
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Sounds like a complete failure...but not T-Force.

Sorry, accidentally hit send then decided to finish when I stopped.

So what I mean here, it is not TForces fault alone, it was a sinking ship when they bought it. USPS wouldn't have sold it is it was profitable. LTL carriers run on the thinnest of margins to begin with, throw union workers, pensions, insurance, seniority etc. and they have a hard time. Look at every single union LTL carrier, their equipment for the most part is crap, the workers are often disgruntled and rarely happy. The failure here goes from the bottom worker to the top worker at both companies. TLI aka TForce is still running USPS contracts from what I've read. They have two sets of companies with their fingers in the pie and WAY to many chiefs with too few braves. Most of these union LTL companies have pension fund deficits as well. TForce may make it out of this trouble but I don't see it being any different than every other union LTL company. Destined to fail at some point. They offer more benefits and pay then they can really afford. (Just my opinion of course)

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier
BK's Comment
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Because I have faith in TFI, they need to see what the employees are disgruntled about. Im trying to save this company.

There is no way one guy can save a company.

Mikey B.'s Comment
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Hahaha, meant UPS...

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Sounds like a complete failure...but not T-Force.

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Sorry, accidentally hit send then decided to finish when I stopped.

So what I mean here, it is not TForces fault alone, it was a sinking ship when they bought it. USPS wouldn't have sold it is it was profitable. LTL carriers run on the thinnest of margins to begin with, throw union workers, pensions, insurance, seniority etc. and they have a hard time. Look at every single union LTL carrier, their equipment for the most part is crap, the workers are often disgruntled and rarely happy. The failure here goes from the bottom worker to the top worker at both companies. TLI aka TForce is still running USPS contracts from what I've read. They have two sets of companies with their fingers in the pie and WAY to many chiefs with too few braves. Most of these union LTL companies have pension fund deficits as well. TForce may make it out of this trouble but I don't see it being any different than every other union LTL company. Destined to fail at some point. They offer more benefits and pay then they can really afford. (Just my opinion of course)

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier
Pacific Pearl's Comment
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Transforce didn't close the deal until April 30th. I don't where you got the idea they could replace 6,000 trucks, 23,000 trailers and the rest of UPSF's dilapidated equipment in 7 months, but it's going to take a lot longer than that. There is a pandemic, historic inflation, supply chain issues and a shortage of new trucks and trailers going on too. Be patient and don't bite the hand that feeds you.

You're lucky Transforce bought UPSF. They are your best option. Canada's largest trucking company has a history of working with union shops and turning around troubled companies. UPS basically put a, "For Sale" on UPSF years ago and checked out of trying to run it as a viable LTL option and stopped putting cash into it. There were several other buyers who stopped by to kick the tires over the years, but all of them would have been much worse than Transforce. You can thank Jeff Bezos for your job. When he pulled Amazon's freight in-house he also pulled ~30% of the revenue from many potential buyers, turning them into window shoppers.

Two things I can guarantee you. One, Transforce will transform UPSF into a consistently profitable player in the US LTL market. Two, you won't like it. Merry Christmas!

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier
Big Scott (CFI's biggest 's Comment
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Do you have access to workforce? That would be the proper place to complain. I do know they are getting new trucks as fast as possible. There is a huge backlog. There are growing pains to work out and much is supposed to happen in 2022.

Hang tough.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

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