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Banks's Comment
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FMSCA Guidelines say

• You will not be permitted to return to performing DOT regulated safety-sensitive duties until you have:- Undergone an evaluation by a Substance Abuse Professional (SAP);- Successfully completed any education, counseling or treatment prescribed by the SAP prior to returning to service; and- Provided a negative test result for drugs and/or a test result of less than 0.02 for alcohol. (Return to duty testing).

The bold part is important. What was the outcome of SAP?

It also sounds like he can do the drug test himself without an employer. I would let the MRO in the lab know the purpose of the test because it may follow a different criteria.

Keep in mind, this can get expensive and doesn't guarantee any results.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Ana B.'s Comment
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Yes, he tested very low on cannabis, but.....not low enough to get him out of the positive threshold.

He already completed the SAP program and was cleared. He paid on his own to get a urine and hair test which both came back negative.

The problem we are having is that his class A permit is now suspended and we don't know how to reinstate it back because the clearinghouse is asking for him to get a RTD test. He wasn't employed by Prime yet, he was just in the beginning phase to obtain a CDL.

The clearinghouse is assuming that he already has a CDL. They're not understanding our questions so we haven't had any luck with them at all.

FMSCA Guidelines say

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• You will not be permitted to return to performing DOT regulated safety-sensitive duties until you have:- Undergone an evaluation by a Substance Abuse Professional (SAP);- Successfully completed any education, counseling or treatment prescribed by the SAP prior to returning to service; and- Provided a negative test result for drugs and/or a test result of less than 0.02 for alcohol. (Return to duty testing).

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The bold part is important. What was the outcome of SAP?

It also sounds like he can do the drug test himself without an employer. I would let the MRO in the lab know the purpose of the test because it may follow a different criteria.

Keep in mind, this can get expensive and doesn't guarantee any results.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Banks's Comment
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Did he submit the SAP info and completion to clearinghouse?

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Robert B. (The Dragon) ye's Comment
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Banks “theory” isn’t a theory. At any point in time, some idiot on a cell phone are any other distraction could side swipe a truck and destroy their car. Whether they are at fault or not, the damage to their vehicle or potential injury makes it a DOT reportable accident and the driver is going to be tested. Now let’s get into the litigation side of it. There are 30 different law firms (this came directly from our companies insurance agent and moderator who’s job it is to monitor everything motor carrier wise) whose speciality is suing trucking companies. It’s literally all they do and they are exceptional at it. That’s why companies have to be so careful regarding everything because the litigation potential is always hovering over their head, even if they’re in the clear.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Ana B.'s Comment
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Yes. He did.

Did he submit the SAP info and completion to clearinghouse?

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Ana B.'s Comment
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Thanks for your feedback. I'm really not here to cause upsets in anyone or have people think my husband was a pothead because he's not. He's a USMC veteran and turned to cannabis use briefly to help him cope. If you've been overseas, you'd understand the stress. We appreciate your breakdown of the legal aspects in trucking. Again, we are not the dumb folks who just woke up one day and wanna get into trucking not knowing the full extent of the job. We've done our research and this is what he wants to do.

Please stop commenting to be condescending as if we don't belong in the industry. Great for the ones who didn't have to go through hurdles. But, again for people like my husband. He genuinely wants to know the possibilities.

Banks “theory” isn’t a theory. At any point in time, some idiot on a cell phone are any other distraction could side swipe a truck and destroy their car. Whether they are at fault or not, the damage to their vehicle or potential injury makes it a DOT reportable accident and the driver is going to be tested. Now let’s get into the litigation side of it. There are 30 different law firms (this came directly from our companies insurance agent and moderator who’s job it is to monitor everything motor carrier wise) whose speciality is suing trucking companies. It’s literally all they do and they are exceptional at it. That’s why companies have to be so careful regarding everything because the litigation potential is always hovering over their head, even if they’re in the clear.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Anne A. (and sometimes To's Comment
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Ana,

Hey, I've been following along. I've nothing for you 'yet,' doesn't mean I 'won't.' I come up with a lot of 'unknown' companies that have taken folk on, where no one else would.

Problem is, I'm not 'real' familiar with the PNW (or the West Coast) hardly at all.

Many of our guys are, ie: StevoReno.

Could you put your location in your profile, please?

Thanks, & best to you & your hubby; I'll look around.

~ Anne ~

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Robert B. (The Dragon) ye's Comment
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My response wasn’t meant to be condescending. It was meant to give some insight as to why companies have to be so strict in regards to drug policies. In regards to being downrange, been there as well and I do understand the stresses. I do hope he can get it sorted out but as was already mentioned, he’s got a tough road ahead of him because of when the failed test happened.

Ana B.'s Comment
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Hi Anne- thanks for replying. Truly appreciate your support. Any word of advice would help at this point.

His SAP counselor submitted his SAP completion to the clearinghouse already. Just can't get the permit suspension lifted without a RTD. One school in Sacramento is willing to take him, but they won't do an RTD 😞 they told my husband once he gets his permit reinstated, he can get registered asap. But, hooooow lol.

I've updated our location on my bio.

Ana,

Hey, I've been following along. I've nothing for you 'yet,' doesn't mean I 'won't.' I come up with a lot of 'unknown' companies that have taken folk on, where no one else would.

Problem is, I'm not 'real' familiar with the PNW (or the West Coast) hardly at all.

Many of our guys are, ie: StevoReno.

Could you put your location in your profile, please?

Thanks, & best to you & your hubby; I'll look around.

~ Anne ~

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

Ana B.'s Comment
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My apologies Robert. I've been juggling my work at the same time trying to help my husband find some answers in just the last 20 hours. I just got overwhelmed.

My response wasn’t meant to be condescending. It was meant to give some insight as to why companies have to be so strict in regards to drug policies. In regards to being downrange, been there as well and I do understand the stresses. I do hope he can get it sorted out but as was already mentioned, he’s got a tough road ahead of him because of when the failed test happened.

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