PC Under Load.

My DL is trying to give me a load that would require PC to park after pu. I told him that safe haven only appplies to hazmat. Who is right?

You can PC to the nearest safe, legal parking spot.

From FMCSA

Time spent traveling to a nearby, reasonable, safe location to obtain required rest after loading or unloading. The time driving under personal conveyance must allow the driver adequate time to obtain the required rest in accordance with minimum off-duty periods under 49 CFR 395.3(a)(1) (property-carrying vehicles) or 395.5(a) (passenger-carrying vehicles) before returning to on-duty driving, and the resting location must be the first such location reasonably available.

I'm not sure what the proper way is, but my company requires us to go back on duty to log our post trip after we PC to our location (usually hotel)

TCB;

This has always been a HUGE gray area; but safe haven IS definitely for hazmat.

Here's a good thread, with some explanatory links: FMCSA / Personal Conveyance.

My guy's having a similar day today; but being local, he'll do the 16 hr. exempt. That's confusing too, but at least 'we' get that one.

Rob T.'s spot on, tho!

Best to ya; sorry~

~ Anne ~

If you go to pick up a load, knowing that you will be out of hours following that, and needing to park, that is going to raise a red flag if your logs are looked at by an inspector.

Yes you can use pc if you run out of time in the dock. That's one of the reasons, if not the main reason they made that reg.

Exactly right! I have had to PC out of a location twice. Each had more than three hours on the clock when I arrived at the location. Once was Moberly MO Walmart, I PC'd from the dock door, out the driveway and into the SAPP bros next door.

The second, bad trailer, and it took 4 hours from arrival, to transload complete. That one, it took me 5 miles to find a "safe" and legal spot.

Any other reason? Nope. If I'm under load, I'll take the hit on my logs to run it 5 mins over. I'd rather risk that, than get in trouble for improper use of PC.

If you go to pick up a load, knowing that you will be out of hours following that, and needing to park, that is going to raise a red flag if your logs are looked at by an inspector.

Tonight I pulled into a rest area off Interstate 70 in Illinois. This was during regulation time and I planned to do my 10 there. Big sign on the way in says: NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. So I mosey down the road, run out of time, put myself on PC until I get to the next rest area. I don’t care if that was legal or not. Didn’t have any choice.

Tonight I pulled into a rest area off Interstate 70 in Illinois. This was during regulation time and I planned to do my 10 there. Big sign on the way in says: NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. So I mosey down the road, run out of time, put myself on PC until I get to the next rest area. I don’t care if that was legal or not. Didn’t have any choice.

I've never gotten a knock on the door in any state to move because I was parked somewhere too long.

Official FMCSA guidance

The movement from a shipper or receiver to the nearest safe resting area may be identified as personal conveyance, regardless of whether the driver exhausted his or her HOS , as long as the CMV is being moved solely to enable the driver to obtain the required rest at a safe location. The Agency recognizes that the driver may not be aware of the direction of the next dispatch and that in some instances the nearest safe resting location may be in the direction of that dispatch. If the driver proceeds to the nearest reasonable and safe location and takes the required rest, this would qualify as personal conveyance. FMCSA recommends that the driver annotate on the log if he/she cannot park at the nearest location and must proceed to another location.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/06/07/2018-12256/hours-of-service-of-drivers-of-commercial-motor-vehicles-regulatory-guidance-concerning-the-use-of-a

Tonight I pulled into a rest area off Interstate 70 in Illinois. This was during regulation time and I planned to do my 10 there. Big sign on the way in says: NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. So I mosey down the road, run out of time, put myself on PC until I get to the next rest area. I don’t care if that was legal or not. Didn’t have any choice.

I've never gotten a knock on the door in any state to move because I was parked somewhere too long.

Isn't that along the lines of people talking about never getting a ticket for speeding when being no more than 10 over? All it takes is one officer having a bad day? I just wonder if that isn't leading a rookie driver to end up getting jammed up for something unnecessarily.