70 Hours On Duty

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Mr. Smith's Comment
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Im struggling to understand something in my CA commercial handbook...

I get the whole per day thing, but the per week thing is confusing me.

it shows a comparison between CA Intrastate and Federal Interstate

for Federal it says

"You are not eligible to drive after having been on duty for 60 hours in a 7-day period. However, if a motor carrier has commercial motor vehicles operating 7 days a week, the driver is not eligible to drive after having been on duty for 70 hours in an 8-day period. A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty."

does this mean in theory

Sunday 14 Hours on duty 11 Driving Monday 14 Hours on duty 11 Driving (28 on Duty) Tuesday 14 Hours on duty 11 Driving (42 on Duty) Wednesday 14 Hours on duty 11 Driving (56 on Duty) Thursday 14 Hours on duty 11 Driving (70 On Duty)

Question Theoretically, I cant drive until a 34 Hours has passed? or... No Driving all day Friday and a little bit of Saturday?

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Interstate:

Commercial trade, business, movement of goods or money, or transportation from one state to another, regulated by the Federal Department Of Transportation (DOT).

Intrastate:

The act of purchasers and sellers transacting business while keeping all transactions in a single state, without crossing state lines to do so.

Old School's Comment
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Hey Mr. Smith, everybody struggles at first trying to understand these crazy log book rules. I'm not going to try to explain it here to you but I suggest you take some time and slowly work your way through the logs section of the High Road Training Program. I'll be honest with you, that section will kick your butt. If you are like most of us you will have to go through it about three times before it really starts to click. When you leave the rule making up to a bunch of empty suits in Washington D.C. you get what you asked for.

When you are out on the road actually doing this stuff and seeing how it all unfolds it starts to become crystal clear. You don't have to take that thirty four hour re-set if you can manage your clock right. I've worked many times for four weeks straight without needing to take that thirty four hour break - this is what it referred to as running on your "re-cap" hours.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Mr. Smith's Comment
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Thanks Old School I'll get to that part of the High Road in a couple days. :)

Errol V.'s Comment
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Mr Smith, first, don't get confused with the "commercial motor vehicles operating 7 days a week" part. Most motor carriers these days are 7 days a week, so just remember the 8 day/70 hours part.

Where does 8 days come from? All last week (7 days) plus today, making 8. Look in your paper logbook , along the right hand side. The column says "Recap". There are spaces to add seven numbers - the sum of driving and on duty, or, how much time you worked for the company.

Add them up. But that's 7 days! Yes, but aren't you working today? Plus today's time, you can't be over 70 there.

Wait till after midnight. "Today" is now yesterday. You enter yesterday's number (duty + drive) at the bottom space. Copy all the ones from the day before. But the "oldest" day - the one at the top of yesterday's list - is gone. Doesn't count.

Make a new sum, that includes the new yesterday number. (You lost the oldest number, bumped the rest back one day, and added in the new number from yesterday.

      old                 new

Tue: A B C D E F G + T < 70

Wed: B C D E F G T + new < 70

Back to the 70 hour thing. 70 minus the new sum gives you today's new work limit.

The seven days is called a rolling sum - you forget all about the oldest one when you add a new one at the front.

I thought it was crazy when we were starting at logbooks in school. But working with them on a daily basis, it comes quickly.

The 34 break essentially erases the whole chalkboard and you start over with a bunch of zeros for the last seven days. You start out again with a fresh 70 to use.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

Commercial Motor Vehicle:

A commercial motor vehicle is any vehicle used in commerce to transport passengers or property with either:

  • A gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more
  • A gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more which includes a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds
Mr. Smith's Comment
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Thank you Errol V. Ima have to print what your saying and sit down with it for a minute.

Matt D.'s Comment
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I heard they have or are going to do away with the 1-5 twice in the reset rule??True or not

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Mr. Smith's Comment
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I heard they have or are going to do away with the 1-5 twice in the reset rule??True or not

Its not in the most recent handbook so I hope they did away with it.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

AJ D.'s Comment
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I heard they have or are going to do away with the 1-5 twice in the reset rule??True or not

yes... that rule is temporarily suspended. Now just 34 consecutive hrs off duty. Stand by for more from the feds...

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Rick S.'s Comment
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I heard they have or are going to do away with the 1-5 twice in the reset rule??True or not

They have suspended it, pending a study that must be submitted to congress by Oct.

FMCSA Suspension of 1-5 Rule

Rick

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Robert B. (The Dragon) ye's Comment
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It was actually suspended a while back but took a bit before they could put it into use.

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