So Screwed On The Drug Test

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Keys man's Comment
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Headed back home from schneider bulk orientation today for hair follicle fail for pot. The only problem is I don't do drugs ever. My girlfriend smokes pot to help with pain management but we don't sleep in same room and I get the hell away when i get a whiff of it. My problem is going forward I've went from being a great candidate with about 15 prehires to being a pariah.new grad with doubles haz tanker twice. Do I have any options? Passed regular drug test but had long hair under arms they used for test because I wasn't worried about passing it. Is there any hope?

Doubles:

Refers to pulling two trailers at the same time, otherwise known as "pups" or "pup trailers" because they're only about 28 feet long. However there are some states that allow doubles that are each 48 feet in length.

Prehire:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

Prehires:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Great Answer!

It's going to be awful tough I'm afraid. You're probably going to have to look for work with owner operators, family owned companies, or places with more lenient rules....maybe hauling crops for local farms, logging trucks, or maybe hauling dumpsters for a company like Waste Management. Have a look at Craigslist for jobs like that. A lot of smaller, local companies advertise on Craigslist. That's probably your best chance right now. I'm afraid the major companies probably won't give you an opportunity for a few years.

Owner Operator:

An owner-operator is a driver who either owns or leases the truck they are driving. A self-employed driver.

Skar Hed's Comment
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You were sent home from orientation. Which means you weren't even hired yet, much less driving, so there is a good chance the lab reported to the results to no one but you and your employer.

I failed a urine test by the first company I went to work for, they sent me out for training while awaiting results, I failed and took a three day trip back home, thinking I had blown it. I had another job in ten days, passed the drug test and had no further problems. The results weren't reported to DOT...they don't report pre employment drug screens.

If you have your lab form from the failed test call and ask them who they report results to.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Keys man's Comment
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Great Answer!

Got results from tests. schneider retest of same sample positive(no surprise it was the collection where the problem was) two other tests taken ten days after initial test 1) 5 panel + extended opiates hair (same as Schneider's) negative. 2) twelve panel urine test negative(different lab). Schneider put company policy violation review required before rehiring on DAC on same day I left. The only problem is every company asks if u ever failed drug test. Say yes and u don't get hired. Say no and if hired they can fire u for lying on app. For new grads the problem is just about every job from companies not using DAC require at least six months experience for insurance purposes. After much hunting I got a job driving a log truck with help from a friend. Long hours but home every day and making probably more money than I could over the road (810.00 gross first full week)still have retained lawyer to fight it but since schneider would have to admit they were wrong I don't hold high expectations. My advice on new grads especially is to make sure your going to pass these tests even if it means paying for your own ahead of time and to ask questions about the collection procedure if it looks sketchy.(my first test collection was by trainee that didn't sterilize scissors and had to redo packaging after she messed the first one up.) If there are any doubts DO NOT take these tests until u KNOW you will pass them. Thank u all Keysman

Over The Road:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DAC:

Drive-A-Check Report

A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT).

It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate.

Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Great Answer!

It's going to be awful tough I'm afraid. You're probably going to have to look for work with owner operators, family owned companies, or places with more lenient rules....maybe hauling crops for local farms, logging trucks, or maybe hauling dumpsters for a company like Waste Management. Have a look at Craigslist for jobs like that. A lot of smaller, local companies advertise on Craigslist. That's probably your best chance right now. I'm afraid the major companies probably won't give you an opportunity for a few years.

Owner Operator:

An owner-operator is a driver who either owns or leases the truck they are driving. A self-employed driver.

Jay B.'s Comment
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No way! Now that makes me worried. I have smoked pot exactly once about 20 years ago in high school so I never cared about drug tests. But I have been around friends that do it very rarely but it has happened.

Keys man's Comment
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Yea the last time I smoked pot or did any thing else was 1978. I've always made sure im not anywhere near when she smokes and plenty of time had lapsed when I reenterred the room. I dont even smoke or drink. This has just wrecked my world. I guess that never shaving my underarms the hair was just super long and maybe contained a longer term exposure. I will look into contesting this but that may be a waste of time. It justs hurts that i busted my butt working 40-48 hours a week at my regular job and going to tech school full time to accomplish this and it's gone in a moment. I do appreciate this forum for all the good advice and help i received to get this far. at 55 this is just a hard blow.

Bleemus's Comment
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Isnt there some sort of clause to do a retest? What are the odds of a false positive? Has to be at least one doorway to retribution if you did not, in fact, use drugs.

I don't smoke dope but have been around some that do. Guess I won't be hanging with them anymore.

Turbo Dan's Comment
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Was at a Lynard Skynard/ Bad Company Concert last summer, well the song "That Smell" was playing and the 70 years old Hippies were doing their Thing. I've got 3 ways of getting Drug tested so anthing from the Sixties is long gone from me.

The thought of Second Hand Smoke is something I've wondered about for a while,,, Anybody have any Documentation about this ?

Keys man's Comment
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Schneider is going to retest if there is enough material for a retest. It was the first time doing this for the girl that collected the sample but there was a more experienced woman in there with her. I think what hurts the most is getting placed in the category of people trying to sneak by on the drug tests. I have always been on the straight and narrow and have taken tons of drug tests in my life because as a printer my company was certified as a drug free workplace. They always tested me and 2 others for random tests because they knew we would test negative and therefore meet the governments requirements for testing. I never tested positive for anything even alcohol.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Keys man, you may be redeemed. False positives certainly happen....nobody questions that. Hopefully a retest will come back negative.

If not, I'm not sure what your options are but I would look into it. Companies in the past wouldn't retest or allow someone a second chance because a urinalysis would eventually be clean once the drugs were out of your system. With a hair follicle test I don't believe that's the case. If you test positive for something in a hair follicle test I would think you would continue to test positive for it as long as your hair was still long enough.

So you may be redeemed yet. If not there will be other opportunities like I mentioned above. But to go so many years without ever testing positive for anything and suddenly out of the blue getting a positive test....maybe there will be some sort of recourse for you.

Keys man's Comment
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Thank you for your kind words Brett. It means a lot right now. Your response was what I have come to expect from this forum; why this is the resource it is;and why I hold a high respect for all the contributors here. I harbor no ill will towards schneider; they are doing what they have to do in this situation. Hopefully this will resolve itself and I can join your ranks.

Dave H.'s Comment
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You're in Baxley? I'm going through the paces with two companies right now; I follow up in the morning. Both companies I've been talking to are in Savannah and are fairly small (one is VERY small) and you might not have an issue with them. I just got my CDL too. You just need to be able to pull tanks and have your hazmat.

Definitely keep trying to get that taken care of. I should have more info tomorrow on how the whole process works, so I might be able to help you out as far as getting your foot in the door locally so you can work past this whole deal. Just push for a retest and no matter what you do, keep it clean. Have a talk with the GF and tell her to give you a heads up before lighting up.

I know in the Army we were told we wouldn't pop hot for second hand marijuana smoke unless we were smoking it directly, that they could tell the difference; though we still had some false positives anyway. You can't be too careful!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

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