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Posted:  4 years ago

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DOT Drug Testing: Urinalysis or Hair Follicle?

FYI - I went thru orientation with Knight a few weeks ago, they did the Hair Follicle test on me using armpit hair, which allows them to go further back. The hair on my head was long enough for them to go back 90 days. They say they go back a full year; based on my experience, I believe them...

Posted:  4 years ago

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Decided to go with Knight...

If you're at the school in Indy, Kenny can get you lined out on shifting in about 15 minutes on the road.

I'm in Phoenix...

Posted:  4 years ago

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Decided to go with Knight...

Haven't posted in a while, sooo.... after moving out west, I updated my application with Knight, and the process moved along very quickly. I completed their orientation, was officially hired yesterday, and started range training today; already did a straight back, offset back to both sides, and parallel park - didn't say I did them well, but the trainer said I was doing ok. He was happy to see me on the pad today, all the other 'noobs' in my class are starting on Tuesday (today was optional). I'm also going in tomorrow, a more senior guy who's currently on the pad is going over his pre-trip, and asked me if I wanted to come in. Thought I'd throw a few things out there -

1. The class I was in lost at least 3 people right before the drug test, and I think Knight may indeed be going back a full year - I had 90 days worth of head hair, about 2 inches long - they took armpit hair from me, and I believe most others in my group as well;

2. Knight is also moving toward a fleet of all automatic transmissions, that's all they are buying right now (I think I heard about 2 more years and they should have very few manuals left...);

3. First day impression - Hope I get an Automatic early on, shifting is kicking my @$$...lol

Posted:  4 years, 2 months ago

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Anyone from Phoenix/Tucson area?

I'm moving to Phoenix in the next few days; it's my understanding that there are a lot of 'western 11' regional opportunities out there (I'm actually more interested in running all 48, at least to begin with); not sure if this means anything, but it seems that a lot of companies have terminals in Phoenix, mostly in the southwest corner of the Metro area - I believe most of them are in a suburb called Tolleson

Posted:  4 years, 2 months ago

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Navajo Express

Brandon, if you don't mind me asking, what area do you live in? This post piqued my interest in Navajo, plus I have an upcoming move to Phoenix very soon (like, I should be there by April 17th...); just haven't decided if I'm going to take Prime's training or go to driving school...

Posted:  4 years, 2 months ago

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Need help finding train to hire in Massachusetts!

Brent, I haven't been looking as long as you, but I've observed the same thing - all the company-sponsored training ( I assume that's what you mean by train-to-hire ) is not done anywhere near our area. Also, my experience (limited as it has been) is that many companies won't take people like you and I that live in MA - Swift, Knight, and Roehl all turned me down, and living in MA was given as the reason (MA requires CDL holders to have 2 years experience and a current CDL job in order to transfer, otherwise you have to test all over again - I guess there have been issues with people getting the CDL in the state where the training is done, but failing the tests needed to transfer). Prime has accepted me, and is OK with me taking a longer-than-usual time to report due to an upcoming move to Arizona (the move date is this Saturday, BTW) - Arizona is a 'pay the transfer fee, get your CDL' type state

Posted:  4 years, 3 months ago

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Question about blood pressure

Sorry if this is beating a dead horse, but I happened across this link Blood Pressure returned to normal, off meds

This is a concern for me primarily because I have been accepted at Prime for CDL training, but my BP goes slightly above 140/90 from time to time; with my luck, it'll be high, and Prime requires 140/90 or below...

Posted:  4 years, 3 months ago

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Question about blood pressure

David's issue would most likely be with the bottom number - the regs call for BELOW 140/90, and whichever number is more 'out of spec' is most likely going to be the determining factor. By having EXACTLY 130/90, David is technically in stage 1 hypertension (according to the guidelines)

Posted:  4 years, 3 months ago

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Question about blood pressure

Sounds like you have at least 2 cases yourself of an examiner not following the regs - either not knowing them, or not caring (the 3-month is fairly obviously the latter, since you showed him the guidance)

Posted:  4 years, 3 months ago

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Question about blood pressure

If your BP is controlled BY MEDICATION - then you can only get a 1 year cert.

Hypertension ยง 391.41(b)(6)

A person is physically qualified to drive a commercial motor vehicle if that person:

Has no current clinical diagnosis of high blood pressure likely to interfere with ability to operate a commercial motor vehicle safely. Hypertension alone is unlikely to cause sudden collapse; however, the likelihood increases when target organ damage, particularly cerebral vascular disease, is present. This regulatory criteria is based on FMCSA's Cardiovascular Advisory Guidelines for the Examination of CMV Drivers, which used the Sixth Report of the Joint National Committee on Detection, Evaluation and Treatment of High Blood Pressure (1997).

Stage 1 hypertension corresponds to a systolic BP of 140-159 mmHg and/or a diastolic BP of 90-99 mmHg. The driver with a BP in this range is at low risk for hypertension-related acute incapacitation and may be medically certified to drive for a one-year period. Certification examinations should be done annually thereafter and should be at or less than 140/90.1f less than 160/100, certification may be extended one time for 3 months.

A blood pressure of 160-179 systolic and/or 100-1 09 diastolic is considered Stage 2 hypertension, and. the driver is not necessarily unqualified during evaluation and institution of treatment. The driver is given a one time certification of three months to reduce his or her blood pressure to less than or equal to 140/90. A blood pressure in this range is an absolute indication for antihypertensive drug therapy. Provided treatment is well tolerated and the driver demonstrates a BP value of 140/90 or less, he or she may be certified for one year from date of the initial exam. The driver is certified annually thereafter.

A blood pressure at or greater than 180 (systolic) and 110 (diastolic) is considered Stage 3, high risk for an acute BP-related event. The driver may not be qualified, even temporarily, until reduced to 140/90 or less and treatment is well tolerated. The driver may be certified for 6 months and biannually (every 6 months) thereafter if at recheck BP is 140/90 or less.

Annual recertification is recommended if the medical examiner does not know the severity of hypertension prior to treatment. An elevated blood pressure finding should be confirmed by at least two subsequent measurements on different days.

Treatment includes nonpharmacologic and pharmacologic modalities as well as counseling to reduce other risk factors. Most antihypertensive medications also have side effects, the importance of which must be judged on an individual basis. Individuals must be alerted to the hazards of these medications while driving. Side affects of somnolence or syncope are particularly undesirable in commercial drivers.

Secondary hypertension is based on the above stages. Evaluation is warranted if patient is persistently hypertensive on maximal or near-maximal doses of 2-3 pharmacologic agents. Some causes of secondary hypertension may be amenable to surgical intervention or specific pharmacologic disease. (See Cardiovascular Advisory Panel Guidelines for the Medical Examination of Commercial Motor vehicle Drivers at: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/ medreports.htm)

Rick

If I read this right, if someone comes in with David C's numbers (130/90) a second year, they would get another 1 year card; however, if the lower number shows any increase (130/91 or higher), that person would get a 3-month card. This is based on my reading of the section pertaining to Stage 1 hypertension -

"Certification examinations should be done annually thereafter and should be at or less than 140/90.1f less than 160/100, certification may be extended one time for 3 months."

In other words, the answer to David's question is 'yes - once your blood pressure disqualifies you from getting a 2-year card, you will never be able to get a 2-year card'. The only thing that's a bit ambiguous is the inclusion of the word 'should' in the part of the Stage 1 section that I quoted (now I feel like Bill Clinton trying to explain what 'is' means, lol...)

Posted:  4 years, 3 months ago

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DOT Physical, what are the requirements?

Paul, the physical is my biggest concern as well - I'm pretty sure I'll be ok, but am going to do a visit to my Dr. beforehand, just to be sure. What's helpful in my case (and that I just found out yesterday) is that my Dr. does DOT physicals, so I'm assuming he would be well-versed on the particulars of required/desired meds (if any are needed), etc. I agree wholeheartedly with Brett's advice - you don't have to make huge changes, just eat a little less, and move a little more

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Worried about my DOT physical ( BP)

I think my biggest issue is too much caffeine, not enough water - I'm 5'8, about 190 lbs. I'd like to lose about 15-20 lbs, and my orientation is probably 6 or more weeks off (end of march/beginning of april)

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Worried about my DOT physical ( BP)

That all sounds like great advice Jeff. I'm definitely going to try hard to lose weight. Thanks!

This thread summarizes my primary concern at this point - I've been accepted by Prime for Company-Sponsored training dancing-banana.gifdancing-banana.gif ; my main concern now is carving off some pounds (my BMI is right around 30); I also know that my BP tends to climb when I gain weight. I don't think I've ever gone above 140/90 when I've been measured at the Dr's office, and I'm planning on seeing the doc before I take the DOT physical.

BTW, I had an earlier thread on Prime wrt which state you get your CDL in; Daniel was correct - you get your CDL in Missouri, then have 30 days to transfer it to your home state. According to my recruiter, if the home state requires a retest, they keep you with your trainer until you complete that. I can also get my CDL permit in my home state, and they will convert that to a MO CDL permit (the recruiter suggested I do this to make the first few days at school less hectic). It looks like Prime requires you to get a 2-year card when you come to school; anyone know anything about this?

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Prime CDL training

Transferring rules seem to vary from state to state - as far as "age of CDL" - and what you have to "re-take" to transfer.

99% of states require you to re-do HazMat (including background) to transfer - but since there is no such thing as a "HM Permit" - you don't actually GET the HM, until you have a full CDL in-hand.

Out of state "CDL Permits" are OK to use in training - as long as you have a fully licensed CDL-holder in the front seat next to you.

Having your permit in-hand when showing up - allows you to "by-pass" the initial process in school, of taking the written exams and obtaining your permit.

Some schools REQUIRE a permit from your home state in advance of coming in - so do not - and some others require you to obtain your permit in the state where you are going to school, testing in that state - and then transferring to your home state. I've heard that others still, require you to take your skills/pre-trip/road test in your home state.

I have never heard of ANYONE (regardless of schools permit requirements) that has used the HIGH ROAD TRAINING PROGRAM - not passing their written/permit exams ON THE FIRST TRY.

Rick

The HM stuff makes perfect sense (hauling HM on a permit seems silly on it's face, at least to me...); what seems a bit stranger to me is getting a Missouri CDL permit, then a Missouri CDL, while having a Massachusetts Class 'D' (non-commercial) license; seems strange to be issued a CDL by a state that I'm not a resident of, plus having 2 chances to screw up the road test kinda doubles the risk, if ya know what I mean (I'm not overly concerned about any of the written tests, I retain those kind of things fairly well)

I guess I should bring this up with the recruiter I'm dealing with...

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Prime CDL training

I also just looked at converting an out-of-state CDL to a MA CDL; looks like they want 2 years experience on the other state's CDL, or you have to re-test - Is this pretty much the norm, or is this another example of 'pain-in-the-@ss-achusetts'? LOL

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Prime CDL training

Looks like I may be going company-sponsored thru Prime; one thing I'm not 100% clear on is where you get your CDL Permit/license if you go thru them - I assume it's in your home state, but some of the info on their site indicates their school issues permits/licenses in Missouri. Anyone recently go thru them, and if so, what was your experience?

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Best company sponsored options in Massachusetts to earn CDL-A with all endorsements?

Hey Michael, your situation sounds so similar to mine it's uncanny - I've been given a layoff notice, and I think I'm going to use that as a 'push' to change careers (I'm currently in IT also, been there for 15 years, and I'm burnt out on it). I don't think ANYONE runs any company schools up here, I'm pretty sure you'd have to travel. I'm looking at moving to Phoenix, AZ in the very near future, but in the event I stay in this neck of the woods, I'd probably go with NETTTS, or another private school.

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Potential relocation from East to West

Thank you for the replies so far; I'm leaning towards moving first myself, but wanted to make sure I'm not going to run into any snags - like needing to have an Arizona class D license for a certain length of time first, or something along those lines. I know several of the major carriers run their training academies in Phoenix, and the relatives I would be staying with only live a half-hour or less from most of them (Swift and Knight come to mind right away, and I like Knight's philosophy of no team driving with a trainer - makes a TON of sense to me), so I wouldn't need to be away from 'home' during the first phase. I still plan on attending a private school vs. company-sponsored, but having that flexibility sounds good to me.

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Potential relocation from East to West

I'm looking at the potential to move from Massachusetts to Arizona in the next few months; if I also intend to obtain my CDL, is there any advantage to getting my CDL then moving, or vice versa (move, then get CDL in AZ)?

Posted:  4 years, 4 months ago

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Length of time since last driving infraction

Hi All, noticed this site while researching a potential career change, and had a question RE: how far back most companies go on the driving record. I have a reckless driving on my record, but it's really old (like 20 years old; in fact, my driving record is spotless for the last 18 years or so). I'm thinking I'll probably go to a driving school vs. company-sponsored training, and would rather not throw money down the drain only to find out I'm not employable.

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