Profile For TZ

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    NJ

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    Considering A Career

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    2 years, 8 months ago

TZ's Bio

2 years ago: 2 months training as a tanker driver, then 3 months hauling beer out of Newark, NJ, currently trying to be self-employed but not utilizing CDL. Hazmat expired...to renew or not renew?

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Posted:  5 months, 1 week ago

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Train as a Diesel Mechanic or just let my CDL A go?

Yup! I'm hoping to start training at CRST May 7th. And if they decide to keep me around, team driving is the most attractive thing there (for me) so far. From all I've learned about OTR driving, I really have to get busy in my first year learning all that I can. And while sharing a closet that drives on highways with a complete stranger isn't very appealing, the thought of a chance at... *Ahem...* 10 months of "extended training" seems really appealing to me. Well, that, and the fact that team drivers seem to really get some miles in (which equals more opportunities for me to learn from.)

There's some definite advantages to team driving. As for the other person, we don't even have to get along (though, that would certainly make things more pleasant) as long as they are safe and we can both get the job done. And you're the first person I've read from that doesn't mind the idea of team driving to get started. A HUGE plus (if my humble opinion were to count for anything.)

When I was training in Coraopolis, PA for tanker, I met a team that was looking to try something different. By the end of the week's worth of advanced training for experienced drivers (2 weeks for in-experienced), they both quit & went back to dry van because the older driver didn't want to drive stick for the final test (even though team drivers would be issued automatics); the younger guy didn't care either way.

They mentioned that being a tanker team is too much work compared to the 99% drop & hook freight that they did as a van team. I came away from that experience w/ the impression that team driving is a positive learning experience despite some advice stating otherwise. In fact, some members of the class I was in tried to change to team driving but Schneider Bulk said no.

You learn more by making mistakes as a solo driver but it's less painful if you can learn from your team mate that you hopefully do not dislike & hopefully his idea of BO/cleanliness meets your idea because in the summer heat, some people just stink BO wise despite what they say about washing daily...

If not for the having had some experience first, I most likely would NOT be so gung ho about being a team driver. It's difficult sorting out good & bad opinions on TT or other websites when you are a newbie driver.

Posted:  5 months, 1 week ago

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Help a new guy figure something out

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Do you drive for UPS, TZ? If so, I may have a couple of questions for ya.

Nope, I don't drive for UPS. I'm just observant & have talked to several drivers (package & freight) in multiple facilities that I have worked in. Info from management, HR, & drivers all seem to be consistent with what I've heard but I'll answer what I can if you want to ask.

Usually UPS drivers that I've met at truck stops or on deliveries don't seem to know much about current hiring practices or they will know what it was like back in the day. Going by them alone, you would think you need 5+ years OTR experience before UPS would consider you but that's no longer the case in NJ at least. It looks like UPS is losing drivers to non-union competitors.

Fedex CDL drivers supposedly start at $24/hour.

It's possible the next union bid will increase starting CDL wages to $24/hour on the Freight side to match Fedex, but it ultimately depends on the collective bargaining process. I don't know if it's the same union in each facility or if they are different depending on location or subsidiary.

Posted:  5 months, 1 week ago

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Help a new guy figure something out

Depending on your job at UPS, the way to become a CDL driver is by being a dockworker on the UPS Freight side (LTL, Longhaul-overnight between hubs) & getting trained as a yard jockey, full time dockworker w/ CDL & moving up to full time driver or being a feeder driver (UPS Package side).

From what I've been told, the way to become a feeder (CDL driver going from hub to hub, day cab position, overnights in a hotel if necessary) is by being a package delivery driver first if you work for Brown.

It also depends on when the union bids on the next contract; if there's an open spot as a driver (there should be, seems less people want to drive for UPS that already work for UPS) & your level of seniority in your current position. Your union shop steward would have more info on this.

On the Freight side, 2 drivers were just hired w/ 1 year of OTR experience each, both got LTL jobs w/ UPS-Freight starting at $17/hour. Takes 4-5 years to max out at $35/hour. Feeder & Longhaul get paid per mile & I don't know the current rate but its competitive w/ other LTL companies.

The above has been my experience in Northern NJ, it's possible it's different depending on what region you live/work in.

Posted:  5 months, 1 week ago

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Train as a Diesel Mechanic or just let my CDL A go?

Is it worth becoming a diesel mechanic since I already have my CDL A or should I just let it go (downgrade my license back to regular)?

Currently in my 40's, have a college degree in underwater basket weaving (at least it seems like it), regular jobs are difficult to find and I find dockworker positions aren't my cup of tea (I'd rather do physical manual labor than use a forklift plus part time hours are at odd hours in a day).

Got my CDL A in 2016 w/ all except the doubles-triples/passenger/bus endorsements, tried working as a tanker driver then as dry van hauling foodstuffs & beer in a regional position non OTR in the crazy NJ/NYC Metro area. Total = 3-4 months of "experience"

2017 = worked at brown truck delivery company & as a cab driver in NYC, non CDL

2018 = still not working w/ CDL. Filled out job form on TT & Jim Palmer already stated I needed a year of OTR experience even though I put down 3-4 months of experience on the application form. TMC sent an email stating that they will contact me in 48 hours, CRST sent me a few text messages about a team driving position starting at top pay and 1500 miles long haul 80% no touch drop & hook, 3 weeks out, 3 days home.

The CRST team driving position seems promising as I won't be all alone as a rookie solo driver. I'm sure there's disadvantages as well if you get someone you don't get along with...at this point, I just want experience even if CRST pays .32 cpm starting out.

The diesel mechanic idea is an itch that has been on my mind since first starting out in CDL school, repairing, fixing & diagnosing trucks seems more exciting to me than driving them around the NYC metro area (perhaps if it driving out in PA or outside of this area). Different kinds of trucks, older & newer technologies, the itch just has me considering my career choices.

Was wondering what TT folks thought since my family & friends are in non-trucking fields & don't understand my fascination w/ trucks.

Posted:  1 year, 11 months ago

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Game: funny town names

Welcome, NC

Ninety Six, SC

Hell, MI

Intercourse, PA

I always remember Rising Sun, MD for some reason.

Posted:  1 year, 11 months ago

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After 1 month of training with a "major" truck company for tankers, I don't have a job...where can I go now?

Thank you for all your thoughts, comments, & replies!

I'll check out those companies mentioned above.

Self-doubt will destroy anyone's confidence! That is/was my issue in PA.

I can drive around North NJ/NYC in a car & a day cab with no issues. No problems w/ being 1-4 feet away from curbs, no issues w/ local traffic, no problems (other than nerves) for driving on 1&9 in Jersey City on narrow bridges or with construction, not creating any problems or being a hazard to other drivers. Perhaps it's a day cab vs a sleeper, I don't know for sure. Maybe, I'm just more comfortable being "home" as opposed to being elsewhere.

20+ years of familiarity in a region vs. 1-7 days in an unknown area for driving & testing purposes. Again, I don't know what went wrong exactly as I've had several road tests (north of Trenton, NJ) in the last week and I've been told that I have no issues driving safely to be considered for a job (other than being too "slow" changing lanes = the Schneider way that was drilled into me as a tanker driver).

As for the 30,000 miles of one on one driving w/ an observer, that sounds awesome but I think only Prime has that program. I applied but never heard back from them. I had to track down my assigned recruiter to get an answer & the answer was, perhaps in 6 months w/ more experience. It wasn't a solid NO, it was "not right now" which holds promise but not what I was looking for.

Although I've applied for a few jobs that were given to more experienced drivers, one or two have offered a local/regional job driving nights stating that there's less traffic so it's "safer".

Personally, I think that's crazy as night time is one of the most dangerous times to drive a truck depending on where you are. Big city w/ light pollution, no problem; in the sticks w/ very little light pollution: more difficult to see your surroundings, etc.

The two offers were verbal (on the phone/in person) & not in writing which has me wary - is that normal in the trucking industry?

Posted:  1 year, 11 months ago

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Prime tanker or reefer?

They have a bunch of routes to Newark NJ.. and even though I live in NJ I don't want to be anywhere above Trenton lol.

When I signed up they offered me northeast regional reefer or tanker and I declined.

What's wrong w/ North NJ? smile.gif

Well, a couple of things.

First of all, as a new driver coming out of school you should not be driving a food grade tanker, or any tanker for that matter. It's entirely too dangerous in my opinion.

Having just been trained with Schneider's Bulk division, I'd have to agree w/ Brett's opinion on newbies driving tankers especially food grade smooth bore tankers (no baffles, dealing w/ the surge alone is stressful + add that to safely controlling a truck as an inexperienced driver + driving in the Northeast w/ 4 wheelers).

Posted:  1 year, 11 months ago

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After 1 month of training with a "major" truck company for tankers, I don't have a job...where can I go now?

Things that I've learned from this experience.

1) I am eligible for rehire at Schneider National in 3 months. That's a good thing, if I was as horrible as I thought I was, that option wouldn't be available. Granted, I will most likely reapply to them in a year but it's nice to have options.

2) I was trained properly, I just haven't become accustomed to driving a fully loaded tanker on county roads in the state of PA. I can however drive a tractor w/ an empty trailer in North NJ & on the NJT in a safe manner.

3) Recruiters/HR do not define transportation companies. Bad CS or good CS for that matter, is the fault of the person who is in that position. Like the attitude of a newbie employee in a new industry, having the right one will determine longevity & success in the profession.

4) Going to Sage @ LCTI wasn't a mistake. I've been given a few chances as a result of my attendance at that training facility.

5) Downgrading my CDL to CLP is a costly mistake, one that I'll not be making despite another poster's advice to do so.

6) It takes time...to fully appreciate any experience.

7) Perhaps I'm not cut out to be an OTR driver just yet but I can still drive a truck regionally or locally!

8) Safety has different interpretations at every company. What I learned at Schneider might be considered excessive elsewhere.

9) TT is a great resource. Thank you Brett, Moderators, & TT community for helping.

Posted:  1 year, 11 months ago

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NFI equipment ?

Any one can tell me the makes of tractors, transmission types, cameras, onboard navigation , speed limiters, additional things like Sirius radio, Dish TV; power inverters? Thanks

TT NFI Company info

This is a bit late but the recruiter for NFI that I talked to last week stated that they have Mack trucks that are automatics in Elizabeth, NJ even though I just did a road test in an International day cab w/ manual transmission in Newark, NJ.

NFI leases their equipment every 2 years so equipment will vary depending on which division you work with. Their regional/OTR division will most likely have different kinds of sleeper trucks.

I've been told that NFI uses driver facing cameras in their day cabs.

Posted:  1 year, 11 months ago

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After 1 month of training with a "major" truck company for tankers, I don't have a job...where can I go now?

Where did you go to SCHOOL to get your CDL?

Doesn't sound like one of the company schools - where you would certainly get enough miles to get your skills to the point where you could go solo.

If you want to drive look at one of the companies that does CDL training - and even consider downgrading your license back to a permit - and get some REAL SKILLS TRAINING with a company training program (that usually runs 40,000 miles total).

From what your comments sound like - you just haven't been TRAINED PROPERLY.

Rick

I went to Sage @ LCTI in PA.

Apparently, failing the SQT's at Schneider is keeping me from working at any other trucking company according to the Driver Recruiters at Prime unless I have at least 6 mos of experience. It's horrible customer service for them NOT bothering to tell me. How am I going to get experience if I don't have a job?

So, I should "downgrade" my CDL back to a permit? Then, go back to school somewhere & get trained "properly"?

Is that advice that should be taken as a joke or are you serious? What are the costs associated with that?

This whole experience just makes me sad especially since I thought that driving a truck would be a feasible option. Now I'm back to square 1.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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After 1 month of training with a "major" truck company for tankers, I don't have a job...where can I go now?

If you don't mind flatbed; Maverick is 100% automatics.

Looks like Maverick is only hiring for their Glass & Temp control division out of North NJ. I'll give them a call, thanks.

I don't mind manual transmission but it's possible that it's contributing to my problems driving a truck.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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After 1 month of training with a "major" truck company for tankers, I don't have a job...where can I go now?

I have my CDL, just failed Schneider's test. Should I even tell people that I was with Schneider or just say I'm a new grad out of CDL school?

I went to Sage Trucking @ LCTI in Schnecksville, PA for schooling. The issues that were pointed out to me at Schneider during their final test did not present themselves at CDL school or during the orientation or internship for Schneider.

All I know is that I no longer have a job as a tanker yanker w/ Schneider.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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After 1 month of training with a "major" truck company for tankers, I don't have a job...where can I go now?

I need to learn how to drive a truck which includes safely making turns 1-4 feet away from curbs, driving the right speed when conditions permit (local driving: I've been driving too slow), proper downshifting on hills, and improving my overall confidence while driving a truck.

While I didn't seem to have any of these issues driving in the southeast in both city and rural areas apparently, the hills of PA where my tests were held are where I have problems.

My driving skills aren't the best which is why I've stayed away from applying for LTL type of jobs. It's only been a few days since I've separated from Schneider & the first weekend off since I started over a month ago.

Perhaps I should be looking at dispatcher or truck mechanic jobs/training using my CDL as a foundation? I noticed that most truck driver instructors at schools are no longer driving save for the one postal service instructor I had...I don't know at this point.

Supposedly there's a shortage of qualified truck drivers...perhaps it's too early to tell.

Posted:  2 years ago

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After 1 month of training with a "major" truck company for tankers, I don't have a job...where can I go now?

As far as I know, I haven't burned any bridges at Schneider Bulk & they even invited me back to reapply in 3 months as an experienced driver but that still leaves the question, where can I go from here? (I'm not sure if they say that with all of the folks that don't pass that Skills Qualifying Test)

TMC rejected my application during CDL school w/ no explanation. Roehl hasn't responded to my application yet (but it's only been 24 hours) Fedex cancelled the freight job that I had applied for (waited about 5 weeks after I applied to send me an email about it)

I have my tanker & hazmat endorsement. I have a TWIC card & passport card. Oddly enough, I now have time to pursue my P & S endorsements but not sure where to start. The X endorsement existed for only 1 month before the state of NJ did away with it and I never did pass my Doubles, Triples test...

Although I'm not sure I have the upper body strength for carrying an 80 lb tarp, being a flat bedder is an interest as is being a tanker yanker. I'm not sure about reefer or van as I just finished CDL school in August.

I passed Schneider's 2 week Safety course & completed an "internship" with them. I wonder if not having gone to Schneider for a month and trying to find work would be easier.

Comments and/or thoughts?

Posted:  2 years, 1 month ago

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Starting CDL School on Monday, live in multiple states, also Confused, Anxious, and Terrified.... So many questions!!

Just curious, which state did you decide to test for your Commercial Learner's Permit, DE or PA?

I just finished CDL school in PA even though I live in NJ.

I had applied to Schneider previously before starting school and then applied to a few after I was already in school during the 2nd week after field recruiters spoke at the school looking for students. TMC and Fedex Freight at Newark Airport (job was "cancelled) were the other companies I applied to. TMC rejected my application right off the bat, no reason was given.

After the 2nd week of school and after I had applied (again), Schneider contacted me via email and has kept in contact by phone. I respond by either if I can't take the call.

Posted:  2 years, 8 months ago

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Am I Crazy?

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Dylan,

In healthcare as in any profession, you gotta pay your dues. Dues meaning low pay, long hours & working your way up. NYC is a great place but expensive as you say even for those of us that live in the area. It's also a place most truckers would be glad to stay clear of due to the traffic & amount of time that it would take to deliver a single load.

Healthcare is out, check.

Trucking is a good possibility even for me. I'm in a similar situation with a Sociology (pre-med minor) and Labor Relations degree but no job willing to pay me what I'm worth. I have experience working in technology startups, healthcare, retail, and real estate. I know that I want to be a facilities manager but don't have the money to pay for a $100k graduate degree. I don't want to go back into sales although it would make more money if one had the talent for it than any other job in the world. For all the sales in the world, the product has got to get to its destination. That's understandable & a great thing that the transportation industry hasn't died out with technology and progress. It can't be outsourced to another country.

I know your pain but you have the advantage of being a couple decades younger than I. Your hardships that I was referring to was moving to NYC from someplace else, getting your degree & realizing that you don't want to go into healthcare. It is an accomplishment to be proud of even if it's temporary.

When I was younger I moved to Los Angeles and settled in San Jose, California during the dot com era. From there I went to Las Vegas to delve into real estate. When I was forced to return "home", I got into healthcare before the Affordable Care Act (which has changed the way insurance works, Medicare/Medicaid wasn't paying enough to begin with). Then I lost it all including my house in Las Vegas which I was renting out when I moved back east. Needless to say, I've been trying to get it all back & crawl out of the hole that I found myself in.

Also, most people don't know what to do with their lives just don't get stuck in a job that you hate for 20 years before you realize that it isn't for you. My friends keep telling me that I have to pay my dues which is hard because I've paid my dues in 3 different professions and now I'm gonna have start all over again.

Sorry for getting off topic. Here are some links that might be of interest.

7 STRANGE QUESTIONS THAT HELP YOU FIND YOUR LIFE PURPOSE

20 People Who Became Highly Successful After Age 40

Posted:  2 years, 8 months ago

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Am I Crazy?

Regarding sleep:

https://www.truckingtruth.com/trucking_blogs/Article-1766/the-sleep-cycle-of-a-truck-driver-it-doesnt-exist

That's one trucker's experience

Posted:  2 years, 8 months ago

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Am I Crazy?

Not to dismiss your hardships or anything but have you tried working as an EMT in the city? EMT licenses are usually good for 2 years unless you forget to renew. Finding work as a med tech in hospitals is an option for getting hands on healthcare experience (having a phlebotomy certificate helps) in addition to volunteering at your local ambulance company for the purpose of networking.

As for your "useless" degree, at least it's a hard science degree. Your degree will get you in the doors of a hospital or healthcare facility for administrative work - patient admissions, etc.

Just a thought if you need $ to start repaying your college loans. Don't forget to contact your loan provider & ask for a forebearance to delay repayment. Economic hardship or whatever best describes your situation. If you can, pay the interest you owe or it will be added to your loans.

Are you from here (NYC Metro) or FL? There are trucking schools all over the country, if you are from FL & have a place to stay w/ friends/family, it might be best (financially) to return there while you are in trucking school (adding temporarily to your college debt).

Most of the answers to the questions that you have can be found by gleaning the info off of these forums but at least you are in the right place. You have a lot of good questions to ask but it's impossible for someone to tell you what's best for you.

You mention Swift & Roehl. Call those companies and ask those questions of them, see if they fit your needs & then post back here your experience so that others might benefit from your wisdom.

http://dmv.ny.gov/get-cdl NY CDL info http://www.flhsmv.gov/ddl/cdl.html FL CDL info http://www.thetruckersreport.com/ alternate trucker's forum

There was a post here that gave a good intro on what to do before heading off to a school to get your CDL, can't find the link.

Perhaps someone else can share it below. It essentially said to get your: 1) DOT medical exam (in the state that you will attend trucking school) from an authorized medical examiner, 2) get a background check on yourself, 3) get your driver's abstract from the DMV where you have your driver's license, 4) get your CDL A permit w/ as many endorsements as you can, 5) bring your original birth certificate & non-laminated social security card, 6) bring money/debit card/cell phone in case of emergency

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