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Male, Age 52, American Veteran, US Army, MOS: 63B, Light-Wheeled Vehicle Mechanic, heaviest trucks driven and/or serviced in military: 5-ton, 855 Cummins diesel, including semitrailers and tractors, college degree: AS Computer Network Management/CIS

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Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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What are a truck driver's best defense against possible criminal acts against them while on duty?

Correction- PERFECT not PREFECT

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Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Susan D opines:

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I thoroughly believe common sense is your best defense. I do not park in random strange areas.

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Well, if the company has a rule against drivers' packin', I personally will NOT work for them. No way. No how. Not for $100,000/year even. It is a sure sign my life means nothing to them. The corporate big-wigs are not going to get gunned down, sexually assaulted or beat to death in their sissy office.

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Bill suggest it's time for Bailey to take a walk. I agree. In this whole thread it seems to be mostly Baily's pro gun diatribe, with others staying more to the sainer side.

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38% of truckers carry a gun on duty at least as those who reported it in a survey.

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I can tell by the way this is written that it is not a "fair", random survey. so do not quote it unless you have an agenda. (Hint: go to a gun shop and ask people going in if they carry a piece.)

OK, Jonathan Bailey, you've had your fun. I would bet this topic gets deleted when Brett gets up.

As for me, I do not live in fear. I go to sleep easily each night.

That is Mr. Brett's prerogative. This is his private website to delete whatever and whomever.

I can't disagree here.

I am glad however that I got this self-defense thing all figured out before I gave trucking any more serious consideration. i should have asked the gun question up front before anything else and that would have ended it right then and there.

My OP wasn't really to argue about guns but to figure out effective solutions for driver's to be more secure from bad human types while on the job. I fear bad humans more than mechanical truck issues or wrecks.

I have a prefect driving record. No DUIs, accidents, license suspensions, auto insurance claims for liability against me or moving violations. Good driver auto insurance discount. 53-year-old driver. I'm no lead-footed young punk. No felonies on my record. No drugs. No alcohol. No smoking. No dip. An honorable army discharge to my credit to boot.

May a driver even carry a taser or stun gun in the rig? No laws or policy against that, is there?

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Then Scalia was WRONG and the GOP is full of manure on some things if that is even the case!

"to KEEP and BEAR arms"

BEAR historically means to carry on one's person often in pockets which are concealed locations on one's person

"shall NOT be infringed."

Period. Nothing follows.

I believe what Thomas Jefferson said. "That every man be armed."

But I don't feel like arguing anymore about the Bill of Rights on a trucking forum.

It is been now made clear to me. Guns and cowardly company executives don't mix.

It is funny so many commercial airline pilots are in favor of carry in the ****pits.

Perhaps, many people here are scared of firearms or are just brown-nosing like sheeple.

I follow, yes sir, indeed, I do.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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When confronted by a "bad hombre", I would rather die with a gun in my hand as a proud American than humbly die disarmed.

Better to carry it and never need it than need it and not have it.

Coffins are heavier than guns to carry. I know. I was an army pallbearer.

In "Harley-Davidson and the Marlboro Man", Mickey Rourke and Don Johnson once said, "Better to die and be cool than live and be uncool!"

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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I shouldn't, but I can't resist.

"Well, if the company has a rule against drivers' packin', I personally will NOT work for them. No way. No how. Not for $100,000/year even. "

You've eliminated 99.9% of potential employers then. Get your own truck and pack an AR if you feel like it.

"It is a sure sign my life means nothing to them. The corporate big-wigs are not going to get gunned down, sexually assaulted or beat to death in their sissy office."

If you comply with their rules, your life is just as valuable as any other employee's lives. You are no more or less special than anyone else. A little edgy, for sure, but not more important. If their office employees were getting killed and assaulted, they would change their location, security procedures, policies or all of the above. If their drivers were sent to notoriously dangerous location they would have equally responsive and responsible solutions for that as well.

"I live in pro-gun Idaho in the Wild Wild American West Where It is Best. I would definitely prefer regional or local since there is no CCW requirement for residents in this state. Ideally, I would like a position where I would not even have to leave state lines in the rig because of the gun permit issue. Driving in Kommie-fornia is absolutely OUT for me."

Sounds like you should be a repo man. Be sure to wear your cowboy hat.

"I thought most American truck drivers were mostly right wing and in favor of gun carry for their personal security anyway."

I would wager you are correct on both points here. At least the drivers that are born in Murica and speak English. Most of this same demographic, I would again wager, also likely strongly believes in personal property rights and that trucking companies, shippers and insurance providers don't want Yosemite Sam on their property or operating their equipment and have the overriding right to tell you to leave your pistol at home or seek other employment.

"And why are there so damn many random murders against truck drivers? Some were just doing their job with no sign of robbery attempt."

It is a shame when one hears of senseless on the job killings, regardless of occupation. I don't thimk you'll find any statistics that show there are a rash of trucking killings, despite your expert Googling. Truckers are much more likely to be killed by distracted driving, tired driving, aggressive driving or, perhaps in your case, hyperventilating.

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The fact is I could DIE or get KILLED!

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We could all die at any moment, if you live life being afraid, you will never truly live. Do you need a safe space?

The States have no say on the Second Amendment. The several States are all bound to the Constitution for the United States of America.

I figured the GOP would much better protect the 2nd A than the Democrats. I know darn well they have been.

The federal GOP lawmakers don't want to dictate to the states on non-Constitutional matters as welfare, food stamps, social services, health care and so forth.

The States have no right to make safe havens for illegal immigrants who are violating federal law also.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Better start looking for a different career then. The percentage of finding a company that alllows guns is slim and far between. If you do find one then the shippers and receivers don't allow them.

The truck belongs to the company, they dictate the rules. Let's just say something we're to happen and you have to open fire. In the process you kill an innocent bystander. Besides you who would they hold accountable?

Owning a gun is an awesome responsibility.

That's why there is firearms liability insurance.

How many innocent bystanders are killed each year when police have to fire in a situation?

I am not going to let any company dictate my personal safety. They can go pound sand.

Yes, I would shoot first to save my own life and answer questions later.

No trucking job is worth the loss of my life because the company is a coward and the various jurisdictions over a given truck route are gun-grabbers.

I will most likely be looking for a computer job or a desk job safe in a cubicle until major reforms in company gun policy are implemented. The railroads are notoriously anti-gun too. The cowards in wing-tip shoes are afraid of liability suits. I can see why trucking companies are so desperate for drivers with their stupid anti-gun policies. They never learn, do they.

If you want to defenselessly become a victim of a violent crime, then keep on truckin'!

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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I shouldn't, but I can't resist.

"Well, if the company has a rule against drivers' packin', I personally will NOT work for them. No way. No how. Not for $100,000/year even. "

You've eliminated 99.9% of potential employers then. Get your own truck and pack an AR if you feel like it.

"It is a sure sign my life means nothing to them. The corporate big-wigs are not going to get gunned down, sexually assaulted or beat to death in their sissy office."

If you comply with their rules, your life is just as valuable as any other employee's lives. You are no more or less special than anyone else. A little edgy, for sure, but not more important. If their office employees were getting killed and assaulted, they would change their location, security procedures, policies or all of the above. If their drivers were sent to notoriously dangerous location they would have equally responsive and responsible solutions for that as well.

"I live in pro-gun Idaho in the Wild Wild American West Where It is Best. I would definitely prefer regional or local since there is no CCW requirement for residents in this state. Ideally, I would like a position where I would not even have to leave state lines in the rig because of the gun permit issue. Driving in Kommie-fornia is absolutely OUT for me."

Sounds like you should be a repo man. Be sure to wear your cowboy hat.

"I thought most American truck drivers were mostly right wing and in favor of gun carry for their personal security anyway."

I would wager you are correct on both points here. At least the drivers that are born in Murica and speak English. Most of this same demographic, I would again wager, also likely strongly believes in personal property rights and that trucking companies, shippers and insurance providers don't want Yosemite Sam on their property or operating their equipment and have the overriding right to tell you to leave your pistol at home or seek other employment.

"And why are there so damn many random murders against truck drivers? Some were just doing their job with no sign of robbery attempt."

It is a shame when one hears of senseless on the job killings, regardless of occupation. I don't thimk you'll find any statistics that show there are a rash of trucking killings, despite your expert Googling. Truckers are much more likely to be killed by distracted driving, tired driving, aggressive driving or, perhaps in your case, hyperventilating.

The fact is I could DIE or get KILLED!

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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I too once questioned Second Amendment rights for truckers. After much research, I learned that as much as I hated to admit it, As a trucker your second amendment right is gone. Why you ask? I have a permit for Tennessee. Well? Not every state honors that permit. And all it takes is one ****ed state trooper doing a search on me to land me a felony and cost me the job and possibly land me some prison time.

I can keep an employer from finding out my weapon. I have done it for years at my current employer. I have worked for them for 6 years. Carried my 9mm every single day, They never found out. That's because I carry deep concealed and unless you did a frisk and pat down, You would never find it. Even if you did frisk me, You'd still have to see it to know it was a gun, otherwise, I'd just say it was some very private medical device that I wasn't comfortable talking about. No employer is going to risk the legal repercussions of a strip search. An officer, however? They would be more than willing to risk it and would indeed be covered once they found the weapon.

They were trying to pass a law that forced all states to honor any permit provided by any state, But so far it has not been allowed to pass. Until that day comes where you can't be federally prosecuted just because that state doesn't honor your permit? You can't legally carry that weapon and have no second amendment right in this field of work. I am sorry my friend. That's just how it is.

Now for some who may question why you'd want to carry a weapon? Let me give you a fine example a friend of mine gave me once.

"Forced dispatch. While you can express distaste for certain areas, If they give you a load going to a particularly dangerous area such as Chicago or New York City? Well... You might as well find a new company to work for."

In my opinion, Chicago (Sorry people of Chicago, Its nothing personal) is nothing but a cesspool of crime and violence. While I have not started trucking, I dread the day a delivery to or from that forsaken place ever gets sent to that Qualcomm . I dread the thought of going there without some form of gun protection.

I'm now under the belief that I would have to either find a position that keeps me inside my own state lines or just skip this whole trucking career thing altogether. High-crime areas, big cities, no armed protection, no Jon Bailey there, good buddy!

It sounds like truckers are largely expendable both in the eyes of gun-grabbing lawmakers and major gun-hating companies.

It's not that the cops that are mainly anti-gun, they just have to follow laws the anti-gunners put on the books.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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I shouldn't assume all were drunks but they certainly drove like they were. My point is that their are far more dangers in trucking then being shot. If I live in fear than in my mind I let someone else dictate my life. Personally I would be far more uncomfortable with certain truck drivers having firearms in their trucks if they allowed them. I could see truck stops becoming the Wild West over a parking space. By the way I have driven all 48. Most of it East to west coast and back.

38% of truckers carry a gun on duty at least as those who reported it in a survey.

It would be smart to never let anybody know what weapons you might be carrying.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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I was a medic in the Army during Desert Storm does that count! My wife was also a victim of sexual assault. Please spare talking down to me.

I have 400,000 miles on my freightliner and not once have needed my sig. On the other hand I can remember dozens of times I had to avoid a drunk.

You pull up three gun related stories in the trucking industry and this should make me run and get my gun ha! How many other shootings happened at malls in the same period of time, or a convenience store.

You also do realize a republican Supreme Court gave companies the same rights as private citizens. Which means they have there right to private property laws. If your neighbor didn't want guns on his property would you do it anyways.

Just because it's your right to own a gun it doesn't give you the right to preach to me or anyone else on this forum. The right to own a gun doesn't mean there shouldn't be rules of ownership.

Well, if the company has a rule against drivers' packin', I personally will NOT work for them. No way. No how. Not for $100,000/year even. It is a sure sign my life means nothing to them. The corporate big-wigs are not going to get gunned down, sexually assaulted or beat to death in their sissy office.

I live in pro-gun Idaho in the Wild Wild American West Where It is Best. I would definitely prefer regional or local since there is no CCW requirement for residents in this state. Ideally, I would like a position where I would not even have to leave state lines in the rig because of the gun permit issue. Driving in Kommie-fornia is absolutely OUT for me.

I thought most American truck drivers were mostly right wing and in favor of gun carry for their personal security anyway.

And why are there so damn many random murders against truck drivers? Some were just doing their job with no sign of robbery attempt.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Not another 2nd amendment thread!!

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I didn't know there was more than one 2nd A thread.

My main concern here is not being killed or hurt by bad people with ill intentions.

Trucks may have cargo that attracts evil men.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Hate is such a strong word! As a left leaning gun owner I have never been in a situation the warranted use of a gun while working. Just like everyday life I avoid areas and people that may be dangerous.

Having a gun for protection is one thing, having a gun to protect you from fear of the unknown is something entirely different. I am certainly more fearful of a drunk driver that had no intentions of killing me than some random person wanting me dead or bodily injured.

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I believe as a law-abiding American citizen I should be able have a gun just because the American Constitution says I can. I can't stand all these cowardly companies' anti-gun policies and the anti-gun laws of some states and the fed. govt. I voted for President Donald Trump and the GOP in Congress hoping more pro-gun legislation would be enacted. The truck driver faces the most (no, I should say ALL the) serious dangers on the road. Not these anti-gun buffoons in a leather executive chair.

The fact is truck drivers are subject to being victims of violent crime or the the threat of violent crime much more than a private motorist's in a car traveling across the nation.

Perhaps more so with certain types of loads. There is no unknown mystery about that, sir.

I don't carry much cash on my person any more. It is mostly plastic.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Hate is such a strong word! As a left leaning gun owner I have never been in a situation the warranted use of a gun while working. Just like everyday life I avoid areas and people that may be dangerous.

Having a gun for protection is one thing, having a gun to protect you from fear of the unknown is something entirely different. I am certainly more fearful of a drunk driver that had no intentions of killing me than some random person wanting me dead or bodily injured.

I believe as a law-abiding American citizen I should be able have a gun just because the American Constitution says I can. I can't stand all these cowardly companies' anti-gun policies and the anti-gun laws of some states and the fed. govt. I voted for President Donald Trump and the GOP in Congress hoping more pro-gun legislation would be enacted. The truck driver faces the most (no, I should say ALL the) serious dangers on the road. Not these anti-gun buffoons in a leather executive chair.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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I thoroughly believe common sense is your best defense. I do not park in random strange areas.

Good point. I think parking in an area with good lighting might also be prudent. Parking at a rest area might not be so secure as parking at a large, busy truck stop. I hope the sleeper doors can be locked very securely from the inside. Electronic security systems with alarms on rigs might be nice. I think a concealed gun might also make a nice last resort countermeasure. Certain types of high value cargo might be more prone to crime than others. I have heard trucks loaded with pharm products are high risk for robbery. Trucks loaded with just farmed products, like beets and corn, however, might be less attractive to robbers.

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Here is an interesting link I found...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthabouttrucking/2010/03/04/crime-against-truckers

I would like some input here too, please.

I am a firm American believer in the 2nd A and gun rights. I hate the gun-grabbing left.

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Is it smart to have a CO and smoke detector in your sleeper?

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I don't know if this is standard equipment or if the driver has to supply his own.

There may be times when a truck has to be left running while the driver sleeps so climate controls can operate. Hopefully, there is working cold a/c in hot regions.

One of my concerns is the possibility of CO (carbon monoxide) poisoning should diesel fumes leak into the sleeper somehow. I figure the sleepers need to be well ventilated. Of course, vehicle fires are also possible.

What do truckers use to wake them up in the morning while bedding down in a sleeper? A wind-up alarm clock? A clock radio if there is a place to plug it in?

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I have an APU so no need to idle the truck for air or heat. I also have an inverter so.I could plug in a clock if I wanted but I just use my phone ;)

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But smoke/CO detectors are not commonly installed by the company?

I have a phone too, but don't know if it is loud enough to wake a heavy sleeper as me. I may have to get an inverter to plug my Sony Dream Machine into. I was never aware until now that trucks did not have 115 VAC outlets. What do heavy commercial trucks use for electrical systems, 24 VDC as do military vehicles with multiple batteries, series or series/parallel connected?

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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I don't know if this is standard equipment or if the driver has to supply his own.

There may be times when a truck has to be left running while the driver sleeps so climate controls can operate. Hopefully, there is working cold a/c in hot regions.

One of my concerns is the possibility of CO (carbon monoxide) poisoning should diesel fumes leak into the sleeper somehow. I figure the sleepers need to be well ventilated. Of course, vehicle fires are also possible.

What do truckers use to wake them up in the morning while bedding down in a sleeper? A wind-up alarm clock? A clock radio if there is a place to plug it in?

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I have an APU so no need to idle the truck for air or heat. I also have an inverter so.I could plug in a clock if I wanted but I just use my phone ;)

But smoke/CO detectors are not commonly installed by the company?

Posted:  1 year, 12 months ago

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Is it smart to have a CO and smoke detector in your sleeper?

I don't know if this is standard equipment or if the driver has to supply his own.

There may be times when a truck has to be left running while the driver sleeps so climate controls can operate. Hopefully, there is working cold a/c in hot regions.

One of my concerns is the possibility of CO (carbon monoxide) poisoning should diesel fumes leak into the sleeper somehow. I figure the sleepers need to be well ventilated. Of course, vehicle fires are also possible.

What do truckers use to wake them up in the morning while bedding down in a sleeper? A wind-up alarm clock? A clock radio if there is a place to plug it in?

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Radios, forklifts questions.

1. No one is going to train you on cb operation. Basically you gotta figure it out on your own. As far as handles go you basically pick your own. You can pick up a cb that has Bluetooth connection but realistically it's just not worth it. You won't be using it enough to warrant the extra expense.

2. Local drivers will usually get a hand jack some places will load the truck with a forklift but normally it'll just be picking up a couple pallets with a hand jack n putting them in the trailer.

JakeBreak, I won't worry about "talkers" (CB radios) for now.

By "hand jack" you mean the "pallet dolly" I was referring to? I think they are sometimes called pallet trucks. I have used those while working at a newspaper mail room as well as driving forklifts there. I see pallet trucks in supermarkets all the time. I am not up to 'heavy lifting' with my back bone all the time.

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Jonathan there is no CB training issued by trucking companies. While you are learning this job, I'd suggest limiting talk time to only inquiries on road conditions ahead. You'll hear a lot of chatter, but every once in a while an important message will crackle with a traffic warning. In anticipation of your next question: it's up to the driver to provide, install and maintain the CB equipment.

Most of the freight hauled OTR in dry vans and reefers is no touch. On occasion you might be required to hire local labor to unload called Lumpers. Your employer will provide a mechanism to pay them. Unless you have a job doing local deliveries of food and beverage, you'll never need a pallet jack.

So, G-Town, you have made things a little clearer. CBs are not "standard equipment" in the industry nor are they required. I have watched too many truck movies and have heard too many cowboy truck songs over the years.

I gather that GPS is commonplace in trucks nowadays. How about other hi-tech technologies that give drivers upcoming road conditions and weather advisories?

Do truckers still largely navigate by road map or is in-cab electronics the norm?

Does the company usually pay for the lumper out of THEIR pocket?

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