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Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Loving CFI

I’m actually not can you point me in the right direction?.

That is great news. I hope you are on Workforce to get tons of info and help.

Posted:  1 month, 2 weeks ago

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Loving CFI

Hey y’all I’m not sure if anyone remembers me but I was on here awhile back speaking about my plans with western express. Long story short my time there was better then I thought it would be. I gave them 7 months and actually tried too stay a full year but it just didn’t pan out. Now I’m with CFI and let me say after being here and around the other drivers and personal I’m beyond happy. The CPM is about five cents less then what I was making at western but that’s okay because the respect,miles,and help if needed is big step up. I’m planning on being here for the foreseeable future god willing.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

I’m going to be coming back to this a’lot but thank you for breaking all of that down it’s gunna be my reference point when I’m doing this job career/solo. Greatly appreciate it.

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You broke that down perfectly along the lines I was thinking of doing this with my co driver. But can you explain that 17 hour rule to me a little bit?

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If you adhere to a 14-hour clock, it will be difficult for both drivers to load and unload.

I'm flatbed at Prime and in TNT you run teams. My trainer and I both loaded and unloaded, but we did not adhere to the 14-hour clock.

Typical schedule for flatbed is driver 1 drives 3 hours to shipper. Two hours total turn around time (both drivers on duty while loading). Driver 1 driver 1 finishes his 8 hours of driving, but because driver 2 started his 14 hour clock 10 hours ago (when he was loading), even with the new rule driver 2 only has 7 hours left on his 14 hour clock. Or he would wait two more hours to get his full 14 hour clock back.

Now for the next load you will deliver in the morning, drive up to 4 hours to the next shipper, and then pick up another load. So 2 hours to unload, 4 hours driving, 2 hours to load. If the driver who drove to the receiver, also drove to the next shipper, how much time does the next driver have to drive a shift?

Even if you disregard to the 14-hour clock, and then just load and unload off duty, you will have some BRUTALLY long days. With the new rule I have 17-hour days, and those feel like a vacation compared to the schedule I ran in TNT.

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With the new rule for 8/2 or 7/3 split sleeper birth, the 2 or 3 hour does not count against your 14-hour clock and effectively extends your 14-hour clock. So, if I arrive at a shipper or receiver, but have to wait long enough to where I'm off duty for 2 or 3 hours, I can still maximize my 11 hour clock as follows:

0500: on-duty pretrip and then drive to shipper. At this point my 14-hour clock ends at 1900.

0600: arrive at shipper and wait for 3 hours. Off-duty or sleeper.

0900: load and secure.

1100: Drive.

1630: 30-minute break.

1700: drive

1900: without the 3 hour extension for being off-duty, my 14-hour clocks ends and I have to stop for a 10-hour break. At this point, I've only used 8.5 hours of my 11-hour drive clock. But because of the extension, I can drive until 2200.

2130: My 11-hour drive clock runs out and I stop for the night.

So, with a 3-hour extension, my 14-hour clock becomes a 17-hour clock.

But this is when driving solo.

The brutally long days you will encounter as a team are as follows. Let's say that your stick to a 12-hour shift. One driver starts at 0600 and his shift ends at 1800. The other driver has a shift from 1800 to 0600.

The "night" driver, drives through the night to arrive at the shipper at 0600. Let's say you get unloaded right way. Total turn around time is 2 hours. The "day" driver drives to the next shipper, getting there about 11:00. Let's say total turn around time is again 2 hours. Now you're at 1300. The night driver has had maybe 3 hours in the sleeper (the 3 hours his co-driver drove). Then 5 hours again from 1300 to 1800. The "night" driver hasn't been off-duty or in the sleeper long enough to drive. Okay, fine, you say that the "day" driver can until 2000, because his clock started at 0600, right? And the night driver can get 8 hours in the sleeper, right? Well, guess what? First, you can begin to see where how this planned schedule begins to shift, even with a good scenario. Before you know it, you sleep schedule is all messed up.

In addition, this a pretty tame scenario. While in TNT, there where several times where I drove through the night, delivered in the morning, tried to get a couple of hours of sleep, then unloaded in the afternoon (late), slept two hours, then drove through the night. So, I had two complete drive shifts, a load, and unload, all on 4 hours of sleep.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

You broke that down perfectly along the lines I was thinking of doing this with my co driver. But can you explain that 17 hour rule to me a little bit?

If you adhere to a 14-hour clock, it will be difficult for both drivers to load and unload.

I'm flatbed at Prime and in TNT you run teams. My trainer and I both loaded and unloaded, but we did not adhere to the 14-hour clock.

Typical schedule for flatbed is driver 1 drives 3 hours to shipper. Two hours total turn around time (both drivers on duty while loading). Driver 1 driver 1 finishes his 8 hours of driving, but because driver 2 started his 14 hour clock 10 hours ago (when he was loading), even with the new rule driver 2 only has 7 hours left on his 14 hour clock. Or he would wait two more hours to get his full 14 hour clock back.

Now for the next load you will deliver in the morning, drive up to 4 hours to the next shipper, and then pick up another load. So 2 hours to unload, 4 hours driving, 2 hours to load. If the driver who drove to the receiver, also drove to the next shipper, how much time does the next driver have to drive a shift?

Even if you disregard to the 14-hour clock, and then just load and unload off duty, you will have some BRUTALLY long days. With the new rule I have 17-hour days, and those feel like a vacation compared to the schedule I ran in TNT.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

No not at all

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The reason I’m going team with the flatbed is because the work will be easier and take less time as opposed to one person doing it.

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How's that going to work as far as the driver who's supposed to be resting getting their 10 hour break? Will the other driver be doing work related duties while logged sleeper/off duty? Thats a huge no no if its caught.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

No I was given the option. They did there regular thing in trying to point out the positives of team driving etc. if I was going dry van or reefer I would just do solo. The reason I’m going team with the flatbed is because the work will be easier and take less time as opposed to one person doing it. I do understand that teaming can take a toll on the friendship and things of that nature. But the way I look at it is I’m at a second chance company and the more I can do to keep my nose clean and my record good BEYOND bettering my skills I’m going to take it. That’s just my personal opinion on it.

Did WEx tell you you had to start as a team driver, Eric? Or was that decision left up to you? Just curious.

If you had no choice in the matter then I can't fault you for trying to look at it in the most positive way you can. That's good.

Just be prepared for some difficulties that may arise, as Kearsey and PackRat pointed out.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

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Eric, It is a forum where one can communicate freely amongst drivers.

You asked for thoughts and received a quantity of expert advice from proven drivers concerning things that actually work in the real world.

Your teaming help idea ain't going to work after the first couple weeks. Your notion of making more money as teams won't happen either. Feel free to believe whatever you wish, though.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

Appreciate the advise. My trainer here actually put me into some situations that I needed to make difficult backing manuevers since I told him that’s what got me disqualified with England so I appreciate him taking the time out to show it to me.

"Nobody’s drinking the kool-aid..."

You may have interpreted that statement about the kool-aid the wrong way. He was just telling you to not get caught up in all the rumors and negativity you may hear from other drivers at the terminal. We call them "terminal rats" and they do nothing but complain while trying to suck you into their sphere of negativity.

Stay above that and remain positive. That's all. Don't let their negativity bring you down.

Also, don't let a company's reputation influence you at all. Western Express might appear to have a lot of slackers and complainers driving for them, but remember, they also have a lot of successful drivers too. Just concentrate on trying to be one of those successful drivers👍

"Nobody’s drinking the kool-aid..."

You may have interpreted that statement about the kool-aid the wrong way. He was just telling you to not get caught up in all the rumors and negativity you may hear from other drivers at the terminal. We call them "terminal rats" and they do nothing but complain while trying to suck you into their sphere of negativity.

Stay above that and remain positive. That's all. Don't let their negativity bring you down.

Also, don't let a company's reputation influence you at all. Western Express might appear to have a lot of slackers and complainers driving for them, but remember, they also have a lot of successful drivers too. Just concentrate on trying to be one of those successful drivers👍

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

I’m not blaming anything on anyone at this point in time. I’m driving this truck at the end of the day so blame can only be placed one way in most cases. I thought this was a forum were you could talk freely amongst other drivers?.

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Eric you not stating anything factual. What you are saying is purely subjective. You worry should be solely on yourself and your performance. Not how a company looks to other people. I have no idea what you mean by “a company is only as good as its drivers”. I worry about myself and have never blamed a company. Don’t drink that terminal rat koolaide.

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Because I’m pointing out to the negativity that’s out there surrounding western. Everyone loves to blame the company,I’ve done it myself. But a company is only as good as its drivers 🤷‍♂️. Sure I sound like a bootlicker but im just stating facts.

In that case, you should be licking your chops to get out there and outshine the internal competition. Driving is competitive. You are competing mostly with your coworkers. Go ahead and leave them in the dust. Show WE that you are a step above the other people they hire😉

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Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

I don’t thin you understand what I’m getting at there. We’ve all been in a situation we’re an extra set of eyes could of been useful especially in our first year. Plus I’m doing flatbed and flatbed is a lot easier if two people are helping each other out which is what me and this other guy will be doing. It’s not going to be a one way street here. Either way I have four weeks with a trainer before I even get to that stage so by then the skills will be better thank you for commenting your thoughts.

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Heard and understood sir. I’m actually going to team up with another driver as soon as my training is done. Having someone else out here to help me out if I’m ever in a position we’re I’m stuck or can’t figure it out would be invaluable. Plus the money couldn’t hurt.

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First.. You realize other people are looking at you thinking you are one of those u desirables that you frowned upon, right???

As a second chance company you will find people who dont meet the standards of other companies....including you. So dont put people down.

Secondly, teaming so someone else can help you is wrong and selfish. That person is not your trainer. Many team mates just go into the bunk and close the curtains. You are getting paid equally so why would they waste their break helping you with your screw ups?

Yes you could get someone willing to help. But you could be with someone with less experience than you! What if you are the one being asked to explain?

Good luck

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

Nobody’s drinking the kool-aid fellow rookie but ok

Eric you not stating anything factual. What you are saying is purely subjective. You worry should be solely on yourself and your performance. Not how a company looks to other people. I have no idea what you mean by “a company is only as good as its drivers”. I worry about myself and have never blamed a company. Don’t drink that terminal rat koolaide.

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Because I’m pointing out to the negativity that’s out there surrounding western. Everyone loves to blame the company,I’ve done it myself. But a company is only as good as its drivers 🤷‍♂️. Sure I sound like a bootlicker but im just stating facts.

In that case, you should be licking your chops to get out there and outshine the internal competition. Driving is competitive. You are competing mostly with your coworkers. Go ahead and leave them in the dust. Show WE that you are a step above the other people they hire😉

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Eric you not stating anything factual. What you are saying is purely subjective. You worry should be solely on yourself and your performance. Not how a company looks to other people. I have no idea what you mean by “a company is only as good as its drivers”. I worry about myself and have never blamed a company. Don’t drink that terminal rat koolaide.

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Because I’m pointing out to the negativity that’s out there surrounding western. Everyone loves to blame the company,I’ve done it myself. But a company is only as good as its drivers 🤷‍♂️. Sure I sound like a bootlicker but im just stating facts.

In that case, you should be licking your chops to get out there and outshine the internal competition. Driving is competitive. You are competing mostly with your coworkers. Go ahead and leave them in the dust. Show WE that you are a step above the other people they hire😉

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Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

Heard and understood sir. I’m actually going to team up with another driver as soon as my training is done. Having someone else out here to help me out if I’m ever in a position we’re I’m stuck or can’t figure it out would be invaluable. Plus the money couldn’t hurt.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

Sorry I meant to say if I switched after getting in six months of clean driving it would be my third company in 2021 if I did switch.

At your third company this year, as in 2021, or the previous 12 months?

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

Because I’m pointing out to the negativity that’s out there surrounding western. Everyone loves to blame the company,I’ve done it myself. But a company is only as good as its drivers 🤷‍♂️. Sure I sound like a bootlicker but im just stating facts.

In that case, you should be licking your chops to get out there and outshine the internal competition. Driving is competitive. You are competing mostly with your coworkers. Go ahead and leave them in the dust. Show WE that you are a step above the other people they hire😉

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Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Thoughtfull.

Just a quick update on my short time so far with western express. I can tell you the people they bring out for hire are the biggest problem by far. A lot of bs that had to be called out on which is way to long to list in this part of the topic lol. Everyone here work wise seems helpful and kind although the communication needs a lot of work. Flat bed training has been good my trianer is a 23 year vet who is very knowledgeable,although even he says not to stay here beyond the time that I need to get my safety record up to par. I would rather not go to another company as it would be my third one this year. If any of you are confused I made a post about why I got disqualified from driving with England. On another note I’m thinking of going over to there dry van division only because backing was my weak point and I want to make it my strength because I don’t plan on doing flat bed long term. I’ve heard mixed feedback on the miles there dry van drivers get but nothing concrete from an actual OTR driver who does day van. Again I have nothing against flat bed it’s a good skill for me to learn However it’s more of a “playing it safe” kind of move as my trainer tells me. Any thoughts or feedback on anything I’ve mentioned here would be very helpful please and thank you.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Fired from CR England for two accidents

Just started one a few minutes ago lol

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dancing-banana.gif Hi Anne, thanks for the greeting! I'm looking forward to spending more time here and contributing to this forum. dancing-banana.gif

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Hi all, I am a new member to the forum. I am in complete agreement with Old School. I was a Independent Contractor and Driver Trainer with England. If all is as Eric S. stated, England simply "cut their losses."

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Here's the real kicker...

I'd be willing to bet if he had taken the prudent path of being an employee (company driver) they would have had him come to Salt Lake City for some additional training and kept him on as an employee. If he showed a willingness to accept his responsibility and learn from the incidents, I think he'd have a shot at remaining a company driver. As a lease operator, he isn't going to get that type consideration. They cut their losses and decided to move on.

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Howdy, Jim. Nice to 'meet' you! I read your bio . . . wow! You've been out 'tooling around' a long time; like my hubby! Welcome to TT, glad to have you! (I'm just the resident 'cheerleader,' haha!)

~ Anne ~

ps: Again, to the O/P . . . Dutch Maid is another possibility.

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Haven't seen ya since; start a thread here with us!!!

~ Anne ~

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Flatbed training

Western express.

Posted:  8 months, 1 week ago

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Flatbed training

Hey group I hope you guys are all being safe out here on these roads. Just a quick couple of questions,I’m going out i with my trainer in the next few days for flatbed training and I just want to know any tips and things to look out for during load securement. I’m not trying to loose my cdl because of a missed step and lack of proper load securement. They taught us the basics back in orientation but I know for a fact I have a lot of questions and a lot of knowledge and training I’m going to need. I’m not a fool and I’m not going into this thinking I know it all when I really know squat. So ANY advice about PROPER load securement and things to look out for while I’m doing flatbed will be most appreciated.

Posted:  8 months, 3 weeks ago

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The journey begins(again)

It’s of too Nashville folks. Looking to make the best that I can of it. I know I made a post earlier about how to make more money and what not. But I’ve been following some of westerns YouTube drivers and they’ve given me hints and tips on how to not necessarily make more but on how to get on better routes that do pay more with more miles. Being from Texas this is key for me because of the up and down freight that comes through here and it’s downtime’s. If any of you currently work for western please give me your view and YOUR advice. I’m just a young man following his dream but also wanting to soak up good information and not bs out here. I appreciate your feedback and helpfulness and let’s keep on keeping on.

Posted:  8 months, 3 weeks ago

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How Can I Make Any Money At This?

Driving the truck isn’t my problem. But yes I will use my trainer for all he has knowledge wise so I can be a better driver. Also owner op isn’t the only way to go out here to make money. The middl goal for me is to drive for wal mart there’s great money there and it’ll put me in place for a better future. You were right about me needing to fix others companies perception of me and I’m going to work hard at it .

You have to get used to being paid a small amount because of your lack of experience, it doesn't really matter where you're going or driving for, after you're driving for at least six months consistently then and only then you can expect the pay increase. This is a troubling time for you, you're going to want to look into other people's backyard and see the grass is greener in their yard then your own. Sorry to use the saying, however it is true. You must drive your truck responsibly, remember this if you remember anything else,. YOU trust but verify everything. Directions, addresses, and routes you need to drive...

Another useful task for you to practice, stay out of the truck stops. It's expensive even if you don't think so. When you're sleeping and surviving in that truck, live in that truck as you would if you were living alone, you don't go out to eat every time you have a meal, you will gain weight... get into the habit of exercising and walking around your truck after you wake up, regardless the temperature outside, you will need to say somewhat physically active while on the road, it helps it helps a lot. If needs be go to a Walmart or some other grocery store of some kind, buy food and survive just in that truck. In a way it's like going camping, me personally I had an emergency service in the truck just in case I had to go to the bathroom, camping type of porta potties are available for camping needs. No it isn't what everyone talks about but everyone understands depending on what you eat depends on how solid your stool is but it is a bodily function that we cannot deny, and it is irresponsible thinking to ignore it, most drivers use a old water bottle as a urinal, it's a good way to keep you out of the truck stops, controlling one's bodily functions is a skill that you learn, unfortunately. It is also the main reason why truck drivers are looked at to be very disgusting people because most people forget to get rid of that on a daily basis. If you are responsible with it it's no big deal,

For the most part all of the information I am giving you is needed information especially when you're starting out by yourself, learn about the job, and or lifestyle, it is not something you can just go to work and come home, because once you deliver the load you have to be ready to leave immediately to do it again. there are a few key issues that you need to address or have addressed just in case.

Your safety in that truck, no it is not legal for most companies to carry a firearm in that truck, but you can have other tools available for you just in case an intruder breaks into the truck while you're in it, tire thumpers are always a good tool to use in this, another is wasp spray (be careful with that one) I would strongly suggest look into some legal service to follow you in your career just in case. I did, the only way a driver can actually make money being a truck driver is to own the truck. Once you get to that point the money changes drastically. Earning a $900 paycheck a week gross is pretty typical. but if you stick at it you can make a decent life for yourself and your family. Being an owner is a bigger responsibility and a bigger cost to you, a good thing not to do is dream, focus on the task at hand and you will be fine... Sorry for the book, but I do pick on a few topics that are REAL and problemsome when you are on the road... When driving respect other people, even if they don't deserve it. Watch your distance...

Another point I can bring up very short, is vehicle spacing, when I were actively driving it's called the Smith system, a lot of trucking companies adapted to the system and are teaching our drivers to do the same. The Smith System, teaches drivers to look as far as possible there was second of every minute of every hour of every day, when you are driving down the road, Leave yourself and out, means leave yourself space next to you to maneuver if you need to, try to stay eight or nine seconds away from the vehicle in front of you, this is where the skill kicks in I have more experience guessing what drivers are going to do before they do it then you do, insurance companies have that part right.... Going up and down mountains take your time there's a lot at stake, your safety is key, there is no such thing as freight being more important than the driver. most toll bridges have available what's called is a bridge

Question for all of you more experienced drivers. So I’m going out to Nashville tomorrow for orientation but I’m a little skeptical on the .32cpm and how I’m going to make a living on it. Even at 3000 miles a week it’s 960 gross, which is going to be a hard pill to swallow. I guess I’m asking if there are any of you who currently work for western express who can give me tips on how to make more money or if they truly start you off at .32cpm?

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