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Posted:  4 months, 3 weeks ago

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For further education, according to that same web site, three drug users that they tested were at the lowest, 96 ng/mg. The highest was 314 ng/mg. My test results came back with 6 ng/mg, their testing method was accumulative of 90 days. My test was accumulative over 1 year. So if we do the math, if my test had been for 90 days, it would most likely be closer to 1.5 ng/mg. .5 ng/mg is the cutoff. Considering the facts of both the tests of the average user and the test results I produced, I don't think it would be very hard to prove my case in a court of law that I was contaminated and not a user.

Posted:  4 months, 3 weeks ago

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I will try and answer several questions I have seen.

If what everyone is suggesting about the DAC report being delayed is true, I guess I will just have to see. Also, that test I took was NOT a per-employment test. They made it VERY clear that you would not even be considered for hire until AFTER you complete the class and earn your CDL. I have this in writing. So if it goes to my DAC report, they will be setting themselves up for a serious lawsuit.

Even in the worst case scenario, I could always become an owner operator and go off on my own, or I could drive Dump Truck until I get the cash together for my own truck. Either way, I have options that I am willing to do in order to achieve my goals. I will not allow this to destroy me or my dreams. I have lived my adult life as a law abiding man and drug free. I could almost claim alcohol free as well, but I do drink about 2, maybe 3 times a year, so I can't claim that one. If for whatever reason this does show up on my DAC report, I will fight it. I have character witnesses who are upstanding people who would testify on my behalf. I have video and email evidence that shows my ex wife admitting several times that I ended up testing positive through oral sex with her and her telling me that she is sorry, and most important, she indicates several times that she knows that I have never used and apologizes for contaminating me. It's not proof that I have never used, but it is a form of evidence.

Everyone how knows me knows that I am completely against drugs, so much so I literally asked for divorce and then later kicked somebody who I loved very much out of my home once I found out she used drugs and refused to seek help. I had to wait until she trashed my home to kick her out, but that is only because of state law that says you cannot kick anyone out of your home unless they pose a threat.

I lost my only son because of a drug addict, before I lost my son, I was tolerant of drugs, but still did not like them. Now, I am completely intolerant of drugs and anyone who uses them. Anyone who knows me on any level knows just how preposterous the notion of me doing drugs actually is. If it shows on my DAC report at any given time, I will literally spend the rest of my life focusing on proving that the hair follicle test is a flawed method of testing and should not be used to weed out drug addicts. A test that pulls all the accumulative drug traces that has ever been in your body over the course of a year (if the sample is taken from any other part of your body other than hair on your head) cannot be a logical solution. If your significant other uses, every fluid you ingest from them over that year adds up; be it from passionate kissing, oral or any other kinks that would transfer fluids from the user to the non-user.

It also can be flawed if the person you are with is a vindictive individual who is purposely poisoning you or if you live in a home that was once used as a meth lab. There are far too many variables here. And come to find out, that trace amount that was found in my test was exactly that, trace amounts...accumulative over the course of an entire year. Yes, it was far beyond their threshold of what they consider a test positive, however, it was still trace amounts. According to academic.oup.com, the false positive rate for those hair tests is 3.3%. It is fine that it produces false positives, however, if somebody tests positive, there should be a different method used to determine if somebody actually is a user, or if they had trace amounts from being around it/with somebody who uses it. I did nothing wrong other than a bad choice in somebody to fall in love with. That was my only crime. I'll be damned if I am going to idly stand by and be ostracized from my dreams over something that I did not do. I am a fighter and if what you all are saying is true, I will fight this till the day I go to my grave. There will be lawsuits flying at a great deal of companies that could very easily turn in to class action lawsuits.

They say that you cannot test positive from second hand, I am living proof that is complete BS, and I would die proving it if this prevents me from my dreams.

Posted:  4 months, 3 weeks ago

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I have not commented on this post so far. Have you ever touched adderal? It shows up the same in urine tests. My wife almost died two years ago b/c her immune system was shot plus alcoholism. It pains me to even bring it up. She took adderal and her tox screen showed amphetamines. Which adderal is. However her family assumed it was meth. At the time I was using a bit--100% off the drug now. Please no judgement. I was blamed etc. Her dr also stated if smoked she could have traces in her system if in the same room. If a small amount was slipped into a beverage consistently its a viable excuse. However no company trucking or other is going to give 2 s$$ts what your reason is. It would take the person who did it to openly admit to it and that would be a long shot. I hope you can move forward and fullfill your dream. God bless!

Yeah, none of that would apply to me. I refuse to put any medications in my body unless I get an extreme headache. Advil only. I am extremely picky about what I put in to my body. But in the end, it all worked out, so I am a very happy man these days and all those worries have been lifted.

Posted:  4 months, 4 weeks ago

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@Ann

I honestly would not have come back if not for you. Thank you very much for not judging. :)

Posted:  4 months, 4 weeks ago

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Should the driver members here be apologetic over not posting what you wanted to hear? The name on this site tells all: Trucking Truth.

We wish you success and good luck.

First, I never used drugs to begin with despite people''s claim otherwise. Second, I was at a school, I was not working for the company therefore it was not part of any employment history. So when I am asked, "have you ever failed a drug screen from previous employment" I can honestly answer no. It was not on my DAC report nor was it on my Clearinghouse.

I payed $4,500 with my own money to attend school, got my CDL Class A License with no restrictions (I trained with a manual 10 speed) and am completely free to get a job at any company I wish. Had I been taking that test for employment rather than eligibility for a school, I would for sure be in deep trouble. However, that was not the case and I am free to work anywhere of my choosing. I did not need to attend any drug programs and listen to any "specialists" tell me that I am in denial when I in fact have never done any drugs what so ever, not even the holy so called grail that everyone seems to praise which is weed, much less the harder stuff that exists out there.

I didn't deserve any of the stress I was put through and despite what people may think, as accurate as that hair follicle test may be at nailing people who actually do use drugs, it is also nailing people all over America for something they didn't do. There is plenty of evidence out there that supports people testing positive simply for being in a relationship with somebody who uses drugs. Police officers have tested positive simply for being around the stuff during drug busts. Meth addicts will literally...how should I say this...drink each other's toxic waste to get high from one another. There is a lot of evidence out there that proves a hair follicle test is a flawed method of testing and I would not be shocked if at some point in the future, these drug testing labs did not find themselves in a class action lawsuit for stating otherwise.

Sure, it gets drug addicts, and that's a good thing. I don't want a drug addict out there on the road any more than you do. It's bad enough we have alcoholics out there driving tractor trailer combination vehicles. It was not long ago a female police officer was crushed by a drunk driving truck driver...it was horrible. But the problem is, that test is also condemning people who literally do not use and their only crime was either wittingly or (in my case) unwittingly married to somebody who was using drugs.

And just to be clear, somebody said earlier in this thread that they can't believe that I had no idea she was on drugs. Then clearly you don't know my ex wife. I worked as an RF Specialist for Spectrum, I worked long and hard hours for that company. I did not see my wife all that often and she wasn't the typical tweeker that you see acting like oddballs in the grocery stores. She did a very good job at hiding her addiction from me. Did I suspect something wasn't right here and there? Sure, money mysteriously vanishing, her staying out all night and not coming home till morning, her sudden anger issues that she had developed over the past couple of years, her lashing out over the smallest of things...sure, there were some red flags, but no real evidence. When you are married to somebody for 4 years, you don't divorce them over a suspicion that may or may not be true. You want proof.

I finally got my proof in July of 2021. I gave her an opportunity to save the marriage if she went to rehab. She looked me dead in the eye and said, "F**k rehab." She actually said verbatim, "I don't have a problem with drugs, it is you who has a problem with me using drugs, therefore it's your problem and not mine." Yeah, she said that.

One night she lost her mind and destroyed my home and everything in it...WHILE MY KIDS WERE HOME!!! At that point, I went straight downtown and took out a restraining order on her and had her removed from my home. This happened on Sept of 2021. Her kids, who I love dearly were forced to move in with their grandparents because I could not go to work and take care of them at the same time. My own daughter had to go live with my parents because she wanted to attend a better school outside the city, which freed me up to pursue a career in truck driving. Inner city schools are a nightmare.

So all within a short time, I lost my wife, two of my adopted kids who both calls me daddy because I am the only father they have ever known, I had all of my property destroyed that I worked very hard for all because I told my wife that I wanted a divorce...and to top it all off, I got kicked out of a truck driving school for something I didn't do, then come here seeking help just to be told that I am in denial, told that I am an addict and made fun of by the very people I was reaching out to for help. I was desperate, my life had been flipped upside down and it happened so damn fast my head spinned. There has only been two or three people here who gave me respect and didn't judge me. In the end, God or whoever you deem holy, was looking out for me. I have prevailed.

I am not a drug user, much less a drug addict, I was wrongfully accused based off a flawed testing method. Despite everything, I have my life back under control.

Hope you enjoyed your popcorn.

Posted:  4 months, 4 weeks ago

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In your original post you asked...

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Many of us gave you the best advice possible. You've refused to take it. The FMCSA gives you one path to take if you want to get into this career after a failed drug test.

You are all hung up on your own integrity. You'll have to get over that and go through the SAP process. It's the only way I know of to deal with this problem.

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At this point, doesn't look like I have a choice. I want to drive. That is my only chance in hell of being able to do so. I don't think I have any other options. I'm still waiting for my DAC report, not sure how long that takes to hear a response from. It's not on the Clearing House, just waiting to get back my DAC report.

Anyway, I have taken enough of everyone's time. I have a few life choices to make. Thanks, everyone.

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Kal 'el;

IMHO, you've NOT been a 'waste' of anyone's time. Somehow, with all you've been through; I do believe that when you get this sorted out and it's all resolute, your conundrum can & will be a help, to future drivers, stopping in here.

Please keep sharing your (unfortunate) journey. Let us know how your DAC comes back (you can get a free one from HireRight) DAC History Report, and what the protocol/enrollment, etc . . . entails with the S.A.P. program you'll be entering.

Thanks, and always best wishes;

~ Anne ~

ps; Again, I'm sorry. I've got empathy, as I mentioned, re: my late ex husband. I'm closer to your plight than many/most. Mine ended otherwise, however.

Update: Got my CDL yesterday and will be working by the end of the month for a damn good company driving OTR. All the nay sayers obviously didn't take Karma in to play. Somebody up there was looking out for me after all and my career will move forward despite the positive test that I did not earn. As I said before, nothing is going to stop me from achieving my goals. :)

Posted:  6 months, 2 weeks ago

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In your original post you asked...

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What can I do?

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Many of us gave you the best advice possible. You've refused to take it. The FMCSA gives you one path to take if you want to get into this career after a failed drug test.

You are all hung up on your own integrity. You'll have to get over that and go through the SAP process. It's the only way I know of to deal with this problem.

At this point, doesn't look like I have a choice. I want to drive. That is my only chance in hell of being able to do so. I don't think I have any other options. I'm still waiting for my DAC report, not sure how long that takes to hear a response from. It's not on the Clearing House, just waiting to get back my DAC report.

Anyway, I have taken enough of everyone's time. I have a few life choices to make. Thanks, everyone.

Posted:  6 months, 2 weeks ago

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Kal-et unless you had Walter White hiding in your basement and cranking out meth having your home tested is a waste of money. A quick google search will show that when someone smoking meth it is extremely unlikely that it contaminate anything. Someone would have to be cooking it. And even then it sounds like it has to be quite a bit. And if that was the case you wouldn’t necessarily get high from it but suffer side effects like headache, irritation of the lungs etc.

Doesn't matter anyway. Got my results back today and tested positive for meth. It was clearly not a botched test the first time and since I have tested positive on my test that I paid with my own cash for, I have no choice but to admit that I have had meth in my system. What I don't know is how much, when, or if it was a tiny amount over a long period of time since the test dates back 1 year. And worst of all, I have nothing at all to prove my innocence because all of the evidence proves that I did indeed at some point within the past year have meth that passed through my liver. In other words, I'm screwed. I tested with a 6378 pg/mg and 500 pg/mg was the cut off. That is quite a bit over the limit of positive marker.

However, when I had asked them how much that exactly is, as in, how much meth would have to be in my system to test that number, they simply told me that they can't tell if that is a method that was delivered all at once, or if it was a method delivered over the course of the past year. So I am no better off now than I was before.

The lab tech told me that the only way to find out when and how much, was to go to an actual hospital and have them run tests on me, and the price for such tests is in the thousands. My ex insists that I tested positive due to oral sex, yet I have found absolutely nothing that backs that up other than information out there that states that addicts will get their "fix" by ingesting bodily fluids of other addicts to save money on the drug. I won't get specific, because quite honestly, it's disgusting. Other than Doctor Oz apparently stating that you can test positive through oral sex (or so I have been told) I can find nothing that supports it. So I am no wiser now than I was the day I found out that I had tested positive for meth.

So I guess I had just better get used to being treated like a drug addict and move on with my life. People who know me know better, but like I told them, it's not about what you know, it's about what you can prove, and at this point, I can't prove anything. If this were a judge ruling my case, I would be deemed guilty.

I won't be wasting any more of your time, folks. Unfortunately I am unable to prove myself. I maintain my innocence, but I cannot prove it. I apologize for wasting everyone's time.

Posted:  6 months, 2 weeks ago

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I will post this information, for a scientific basis of the drug testing process, since this topic has garnered such attention. It may be of use to members of the forum or future visitors. I won’t provide any basis on the situation the poster is in. I am not an expert and certain details may be inaccurate.

In the world of drug testing you have urine and hair follicle testing. Both are conducted with your standard immunoassay testing, which is a enzyme response test. Stick and card tests, such as COVID rapid response are immunoassay. This does lead to false positives given that molecules with similar structure may react to the enzyme (lock and key mechanism).

Once a positive immunoassay is acquired, it is then reviewed in a confirmatory test using liquid or gas chromatography mass spectrometry (LC-MS/GC-MS). This process will properly identify what compounds are detected, referenced to a database of chemical signatures matching the compounds. At this point, medical staff at the lab should contact you and inquire about any prescription and OTC medications you are on. This aids in narrowing down what is being detected.

Every drug will excrete its own profile. For example, Sudafed may seem similar to an enzyme in immunoassay, but not in gas chromatography. It will not identify as an amphetamine. It identifies the metabolite it actually is. You may be on Adderall, which actually is amphetamine salts. Adderall has a different metabolite profile than methamphetamine. That, along with your dosing and documented prescription history will correlate to the results. A hair follicle test can be broken down into sections to identify use over time, such as in one month periods. Hair on your scalp grows an average of half an inch per month. The lab will also retain part of the sample for retesting purposes. The hair is also thoroughly cleaned to remove outside contaminants.

During this review process, there is not just one, but several people reviewing your case. An instance of this failing would be errant negligence in analysis or processing of your sample, although it is possible.

Providing your own test will have little to no value in defending your case. Most likely, the remaining lab sample is your best bet.

That's the off thing, they flat out refused to allow me access to that sample or even have it sent to the lab that I went to. Thing is, I don't trust them at this point. They told me I was guilty of something that I am not, and then when I asked them for a retest, they said, and I quote, "It would just come back the same, it will cost you $200 out of your own pocket and even if you do contest the results, you are going home anyway."

They pretty much shot me down the very instant I proclaimed my innocence. Since they did this, I no longer trusted them. I was being railroaded from retesting and sent home no matter what. This is why I wanted my own choice of a lab, and I picked a reputable lab who does lab work for Federal Court cases. If this too comes back positive, then I have to accept that I had meth in my system at some point within the past year. At that point, it will be a matter of finding out how I got it in my system, since I don't do drugs...like at all, nor have I ever felt like I was on anything. So if it was in my system at some point, I never noticed any affects from it. That is what makes it hard for me to accept that I had possibly been poisoned. But if I was, I won't be able to prove that without a confession.

Apparently these tests aren't as accurate as they claim, considering 7 police officers from the same police department has went through this very same thing, luckily they were able to prove their innocence, although the article I read never said how.

As far as my new test not proving anything, well, that's not what my lawyer told me. Especially since we are looking at a year time table here, not just 90 days.

Posted:  6 months, 2 weeks ago

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One thing I just thought of:

Do you take the MAO inhibitor Selegiline? It would be used for a mental health and while it generally doesn't have the dietary restrictions other MAOIs need you'd probably know if you were on it.

There are a few other meds listed here as well. I'm guessing you've already found similar lists but it not it's worth a shot if you are taking any med that causes a false positive.

https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/urine-drug-screening-minimizing-false-positives-and-false-negatives-to-optimize-patient-care#:~:text=While%20rarely%20used%2C%20the%20monoamine,amphetamine%20and%20l%2Dmethamphetamine%20metabolites.&text=Minimizing%20the%20use%20of%20these,risk%20of%20false%2Dpositive%20results.

I don't think so. Advil, cigarettes, caffeine are the only three things I put in my body. About 4 or 5 months ago I used XeunciM, which is an off brand Mucinex, it has something in it called, Dextromethorphan Hydrobromide. But that triggers a false positive for PCP, not Methamphetamine. Still looking in to having my home tested, but even if I discover that I have meth on my walls, carpet/floor or belongings, that won't prove me innocent. Sadly, the ONLY thing that is going to prove me innocent is a negative test result. Another positive test result will tell me that I was poisoned, and I will never be able to prove that in a million years unless she does it to somebody else and we end up collaborating with one another. Otherwise, I will have to give up my crusade and be extremely more choosy about who I let in to my life. The last part I have already done.

Posted:  6 months, 2 weeks ago

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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

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Not trying to persuade you to believe me, just offering something I just found to be a bit educational. By the way, still awaiting the results of my retest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9069626

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I actually remember this, vaguely ... thanks for sharing.

Yeah. It's a mess. (Are you sure you didn't take Sudafed / Vicks' Inhalers?!?!)

I'm awaiting your results too, man. Did you get the GC/MS test???

~ Anne ~

Oh, the reason that article may be relevant to me is because my hair is almost jet black. I am not black, but my hair is.

Posted:  6 months, 2 weeks ago

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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

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Not trying to persuade you to believe me, just offering something I just found to be a bit educational. By the way, still awaiting the results of my retest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9069626

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I actually remember this, vaguely ... thanks for sharing.

Yeah. It's a mess. (Are you sure you didn't take Sudafed / Vicks' Inhalers?!?!)

I'm awaiting your results too, man. Did you get the GC/MS test???

~ Anne ~

There are only 2 bad habits I have and only 2 medications I use along with a small bit of alcohol.

Cigarettes (yes, I'm a dirty smoker, lol) Caffeine (Sorry, but I love Big Red) Alcohol (not even 3 drinks at a time, it just gives me headaches if I drink more than that and I can count on one hand how often I drink a year, sometimes I go multiple years without drinking at all) Advil (only when I get headaches, which is about once a month on average) and on one single occasion, I took an off brand Mucinex called XeunciM, 1200 mg. for dry mucus in the lungs after my daughter got me sick with a nasty cold.

That's it. Bad eating habits I suppose, I do love my Arby's Beef & Cheddar, lol.

As far as the test, it was the most expensive one they had available. I can't remember which test it was, all I know is that it was a hair follicle test taken from my right underarm (the first test was taken from my left, so now it looks like I have lady underarms, lol) except with this one, they shaved it with sheers instead of cutting it with scissors. So this one should have an even longer date period that the one prior to it since the hair they took had more length than the previous.

I will let you know which one for sure when I get the results back, I'm sure the test type will be listed somewhere.

Posted:  6 months, 2 weeks ago

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A positive hair follicle result is not reportable to the clearing house...yet. The major carriers have petitioned FMCSA to consider this as the only known test indicating life-style use of a banned substance. We all know how slow they are with amending policy.

The controversy also revolves around the perceived invasive nature of the test. Perhaps Covid has exacerbated this. It’s difficult to filter true factual information from the self-serving (yes, commercial/promotional/special-interest) information. In the last two days I’ve invested many hours reading up on it... I feel no more educated now than I was on Friday. Frustrating to say the least.

Y’all may think myself and a few others have been unfairly hard on the OP. I’ve been on this site a long time...I’ve seen the horrors of DUI and drug related crashes... I’m jaded and hardened from offering advice and trying to assist people that were less than truthful with us, supporting recreational use of drugs for truck drivers. I recall more than once getting caught up in a trolling ruse. Making it difficult to trust the motives of a complete stranger.

Although it will take compelling evidence, if I’m wrong about the OP; everyone knows me well enough, I’ll offer an apology.

Not trying to persuade you to believe me, just offering something I just found to be a bit educational. By the way, still awaiting the results of my retest.

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna9069626

Posted:  6 months, 3 weeks ago

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Kal-el I could be wrong but I’m fairly certain this failed drug test will be on your alcohol and drug clearinghouse profile. I’m pretty sure you have to had registered for that before you took your drug test for CR England. Like it or not that program was designed to prevent people from doing the very thing you are trying to do. It will not matter if you try to apply for a company that does urine test only. They will check your clearinghouse and see you failed a hair follicle.

Thankfully hair follicle testing does not go to the DOT. At least not yet. From the research I have done, hair follicle testing is pretty controversial, there are too many false positives and too many variables that can produce false positives for the drug administration to approve it for the DOT. Some of my terminology may be wrong on this, but the premise still applies. I don't mind hair follicle testing, in fact even after what happened to me I am in support of it. I just feel there needs to be a viable process to prove your innocence if you test positive from the hair follicle test that does not get you kicked or charged until the test can be substantiated. Right now, this does not exist to be best of my knowledge.

Posted:  6 months, 3 weeks ago

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C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

I am on standby at the moment while I await the results of the new test. Not much that I can do until then. Right now I am on my own because there are no institutions out there that helps people in my position. So it is all on me and me alone to prove my innocence. If it turns out that I cannot prove my innocence, well, I will just have to stick with companies who do urine tests only until I get passed the last known possible date that I could have been poisoned/drugged (Isn't it the same thing?) which was when I took the EPO out on her and got her out of my home, which was Sept. 21st. Thankfully there are companies out there who do not do hair follicle tests, although I am in full support of screening out anyone who could be a danger to the trucking industry, I do wish there were other methods you could use to prove your innocence if you test positive. As of right now, retaking the same test seems to be the only one available, but that still doesn't help anyone who might have been drugged or exposed somehow without their knowledge. I don't think there is a way to prove that outside of a confession from the guilty party.

So right now, all I can do is wait and see what the results come back as and accept my fate either way. I have driven myself to tears over this, literally. So right now I am just clearing my mind and patiently waiting for the results.

Posted:  6 months, 3 weeks ago

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C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

I'm just going to go out on a limb that your story is credible for a minute.

How was she using it?

I honestly couldn't tell you. I never noticed any track marks and she has all of her teeth. So the obvious signs weren't there. She wasn't a tweeker either, there was no obvious signs other than she went from being sweet and quiet to suddenly constantly raging over the smallest of things, punching walls, punching glass with her bare fists, she even once stabbed a dresser over 100 times with a screw driver while talking to herself. That last part came after I had discovered she was on meth. The mood changes are what got me looking, trying to find out if she were on something. But I couldn't call her out on it until I had the evidence.

Only a few ways: snorting, drinking it, smoking it, shooting it IV. Of those ways, it's common to put it in water if you're drinking it, which is usually a last resort for people who have destroyed their nasal passages and can no longer snort it. If, by some chance, you grabbed a drink she had it in, possibly could have been in your system.

If I was indeed drugged by her in some way, I have no way of knowing how. I wish I could tell you how, but I cannot say since I don't know and she denies the accusation against her. Until my test results come back, I won't know for sure that she has drugged me until then. For all I know, when CR England tested me, it could have been a botched test. I'll find out soon enough; about 5 to 7 business days.

So basically, there's a very slim chance that you could have accidentally ingested some if conditions were just perfect. But even if that is the case, there's not much you can do, and it doesn't serve you will to insult the very group your asking advice from.

If I indeed do have meth in my system, I don't believe it was some accident. I am just open to all possibilities is all. If it is indeed in my system, then the most logical answer is that she literally drugged me in an attempt to not lose me. I have video of her going off the deep end, if you seen the video, you would understand that doing something like that is not only well within her capabilities, but also something she would attempt to do if she thought it would be a method of keeping me. I took out an EPO on her (Emergency Protective Order) because she has literally threatened my life, saying, "If I cannot have you, I'll be damned if I am going to let another woman have you." And then she went to one of our mutual friends (was mutual, our mutual friend is no longer friends with her because of this) and repeated that statement to her. I'm a big dude, she wouldn't stand a chance against me, but I can't stay awake all the time, nor am I all that good at dodging bullets. So yeah, she literally had me fearing for my life and my daughter's life.

Your last statement, I took quite a bit of insults from this community and I manned through it. So if I insulted anyone in return, all I can say is, don't dish out what you can't take? (not you specifically, just in general.) I'm not a punching bag, I won't just take it and then turn the other cheek.

If you take it a few steps down the line, say you got hired and this didn't come up, is this how you would respond when given advice you don't want to hear? If your trainer and instructors tell you you need to do things differently or better are they in the wrong? How will you handle criticism and stress of trucking? It doesn't bode well.

I have already been in training, and believe it or not, I was the guy telling this same very thing to a young guy who was getting pretty heated because our trainer was telling him how to drive. I take direction very well, what I don't take very well is disrespect. There is a huge difference. What doesn't bode well with me is being accused of something I didn't do, and then being told that I am in denial about it. I said earlier that I don't expect anyone to believe me (as my favorite poster pointed out) but that is not me giving people permission to berate me over it. I came here looking for help, not judges and executioners. This may be the Trucking Truth, but it also says that this website is, "The Most Friendly And Helpful Trucker's Forum Anywhere." Instead what I got is people attacking my character, telling me I am in denial and all that other dung. Great, don't believe me, their choice, but they sure aren't helping me by repeatedly telling me that they don't believe me and attempting to have me blackwalled from this web site. I didn't come here looking for trouble, but I'll be damned if I am just going to be all passive and let people dish out their garbage all over my face and not at very least come back with something a bit more intelligible yet holding my ground. I am not the one attacking people's character here. I'm not the one on the offensive, I have been on the defensive side of this. So maybe that question would fit better being asked to the people doing the attacking. Seems like a novel idea to me.

Posted:  6 months, 3 weeks ago

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C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

The trucking industry isn’t damning you over anything. Neither is CR England. Your story is simply to hard to believe. From what I am reading you could in theory ingest meth through oral sex or bodily fluids but not enough that would cause you to pass the threshold on a drug test. She wasn’t cooking meth in the house. So that leaves you with it being orally ingested since you didn’t snort it, smoke it, or inject it. Or you say the drug test was tainted by coincidence the same drug your wife uses. So what she laced your coffee or something? I dunno man. A lot of holes in this story.

You're right, there are indeed a lot of holes in my "story" because I don't have the answers. I am trying to get it figured out. I DO NOT use drugs, period. Nor have I ever used drugs. That is the ONE thing that I know for sure. I don't get high, I have no need to get high. I don't even know what it is like to get high other than what I have seen in movies and TV. I see how people act when they are high, they act like they are out of their damn minds and belong in a mental institute. I'm sorry that I am unable to give you a complete story that has no holes in it. Sadly, I cannot do that because I don't have all the facts, and chances are I never will have them all. If I was somehow low dosed, I will never even know that for a fact because the person that had the ability to do so, will never admit to that, in fact she would take it to her grave.

I get it, from your perspective I probably seem like I am full of it. However, if this had happened to you, you would most likely be doing the exact same thing I am. I just hope it never does happen to you, because if it ever does...God help you, nobody else will.

Posted:  6 months, 3 weeks ago

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How so? I thought that hair follicle tests were for the exacting reason, to put a 'time stamp' on the drug use. (ie: if the client has been using over a period of time, even up to (and past) a year.) It would go back farther than three weeks, no?

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The new test would also go back more than three weeks, but how would you know the drug use that showed up last time wasn't at the very end of how far back it could go? Three weeks later, the hair sample might no longer show drug use, but that couldn't rule out the possibility that it really was there last time.

The same could be said if I had taken another drug test as soon as I found out. It's a week later. So in one aspect you have 1 week later out of a year, the other way you have three weeks out of a year. Either way you have the same problem. I can't just lay back and let the trucking industry damn me over this. I have to try. I would rather try and fail than not try at all and wonder.

Posted:  6 months, 3 weeks ago

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Even worse, now a certain individual wants to silence me when this website is only one of a very few places that I can hope to find somebody else who has already been through this and beat it.

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That is not true. Not one bit.

Fact is you silenced me...you don’t care what I have to say about anything. I’m crushed...

So then why should I go out of my way to approve your posts?

Other mods obviously are so you have nothing to complain about.

I don't have the power nor the will to silence you. Fact of that matter is, you have been throwing shade on me from the very start, which is your prerogative, but don't sit there and expect me to care about what you say to me when every time I read anything from you, it is you constantly trying to diminish anything I say by attempting to constantly attack my character. You had your mind made up about me with your very first post. You set the stage between us, not me. I came here out of desperation and you kicked me when I was down. That's okay, I am a big guy and can handle it, but that sure doesn't mean that I am going to listen to somebody who constantly berates me. Probably best if you and I just don't talk. Nothing good will come out of it. Agree to disagree and let's move on from one another.

Posted:  6 months, 3 weeks ago

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C.R. England Nightmare Experience (True Story, Need Help! Nondrug User Tested Positive!)

And I’m no expert but I can’t imagine you can get low key drugged with meth and be completely oblivious to it. And just have no symptoms at all from it.

Look, I don't know for a fact that I have been drugged. I don't know anything really. It could have just been a botched test, that is why I am getting tested again. At this point in time, I cannot prove anything which is what is making this so difficult and frustrating. If I indeed do have meth in my system though, or at least at one point had it in my system, then there is only one way that could have happened.

Now, to better answer your question more directly, no. I have never felt anything that gave me an idea that I had been drugged. I smoke cigarettes, so I know what addiction feels like, and I have never felt a need for something but couldn't figure out what it is. So obviously, *if*I was drugged, it wasn't enough to get me hooked. Also, if I was drugged, it wasn't enough to make me feel different. I am just reaching at straws, desperate to get to the bottom of why I failed that test, and until I get the results back from my drug test, I won't know for sure.

What I can say, is that the test at CR England went back a full year, well so does the one I just took today. If it turns out negative, my lawyer steps in and we file a lawsuit against CR England because they not only made it difficult to prove myself against the allegation, but they also outright discouraged it by telling me, "Even if we do, the results will just be the same, not to mention it will cost you 200 bucks out of pocket and either way it goes, you are being sent back home."

They told me that. Once I got home, I started making calls, doing research and am doing everything in my power to fight back against the impossible wall. If there is a way to climb this wall and prove my innocence, I will find that way. Just really hoping to talk with somebody who has been in this exact situation and finding out what they did to fix it. Out of the "thousands" of posts that has been made by people who have claimed they went through what I am currently going through, I am hoping there is at least one that was being truthful and that they reach out to me. I am desperate for help right now, because right now, it's hard enough to get anyone to believe me, much less help me.

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