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Posted:  3 years, 10 months ago

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Roehl Transport's New Training Contract Is it fair?

You'll pay just over $7200 at Knight. I'd say you got a bargain.

For CDL school, not Orientation

Posted:  3 years, 10 months ago

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Roehl Transport's New Training Contract Is it fair?

There are a few comments here that seem to confuse training for a CDL …. with Orientation, which IMHO is much closer to what Ruminator is implying he needs.

I totally understand the need for someone with zero experience to need to be trained in all aspects of driving a rig. That training justifies a cost to be paid to Roehl if the trainee bolts for the door. But if someone walks through the door with a CDL and all the company needs to do is train them on company specific procedures, that is Orientation, not CDL training, and that expense really need to be carried by the company.

I have been unable to get any info out of Roehl as to what the total cost of their program is to train someone who needs the full CDL training. TT has a cost of $2,800 listed, but if they are now demanding $3,150 from drivers that already have a CDL, I’m sure their cost to train raw recruits is substantially higher. So far, I have been unable to get any information out of Roehl as to the full cost of their CDL program.

Roehl was at the absolute top of my list both for CDL training and possibly driving for, but they have moved down a few notches as a result of practices like this. And although they still sound like a decent company to drive for, since I am unable to get any info out of them at all regarding training, I don’t even have a choice but to remove Roehl from consideration.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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Unemployed for eons, will this be a problem?

I have a somewhat similar situation where I chose not to work to help take care of my mother. I talked to a recruiter with Schneider a week or so ago and mentioned this lapse and why it was there, and he was very careful in his response and acknowledged that it was something they do look at, but as long as I had a valid reason he did not see it as an overwhelming obstacle. That said, I would be prepared to elaborate on your reason, and backing it up with character references would help. The Schneider recruiter told me I would need to explain my lapse.

I find it puzzling that an industry that has close to a 100% turnover ratio has an iota of concern about uh, turnover.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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Trying to obtain information for husband

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Hello! My husband got his CDL A over a year ago and has been working OTR, I am trying to help him find something local but wanted more information on load pay vs. for hire pay vs. pay per miles in the Midwest region. It would be much appreciated if anyone could provide me with some realistic dollar amounts, he wants to make a move sooner thank later. Thanks!

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Tina, I'm still wading through a lot of the 'pay' info myself to find factual information, but I did want to pass something on;

Schneider has a terminal close to me and in searching through their website for jobs, I noticed they have a lot of places where you can go talk to a recruiter. I'm not sure if they are honest or just tell you that you can "make up to" whatever, but I'm going to give it a shot.

http://schneiderjobs.com/company-drivers/recruiting-events

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Why do people always think that a recruiter is trying to pull a fast one on a person? Schneider is very reputable. If it is in writing, especially on their specific job descriptions, you can take out to the bank.

Because I see so much deception and dishonesty coming from the industry. I think the exceptionally high turnover rate indicates something is seriously wrong in the industry.

I’ve done a fair amount of research into jobs in my area and Schneider rates pretty highly IMHO, but their ads are still deceptive. As an example, they have a local dedicated driver job listed at ‘up to $65,000 a year’. I found 2 other drivers that worked for Schneider at that facility and in that capacity and their pay was $40k to $45 a year running hard. One also said he had issue between the home time the recruiter told him he would have, and what he eventually got.

I am still considering driving as a career but I have taken one step back from it. I see possibilities in it both from a financial and schedule perspective, but I’m not going to wade through too much BS to get there.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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Trying to obtain information for husband

Hello! My husband got his CDL A over a year ago and has been working OTR, I am trying to help him find something local but wanted more information on load pay vs. for hire pay vs. pay per miles in the Midwest region. It would be much appreciated if anyone could provide me with some realistic dollar amounts, he wants to make a move sooner thank later. Thanks!

Tina, I'm still wading through a lot of the 'pay' info myself to find factual information, but I did want to pass something on;

Schneider has a terminal close to me and in searching through their website for jobs, I noticed they have a lot of places where you can go talk to a recruiter. I'm not sure if they are honest or just tell you that you can "make up to" whatever, but I'm going to give it a shot.

http://schneiderjobs.com/company-drivers/recruiting-events

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

Kurt, I would have referred to the actual legislation anyway. There seems to be some confusion even among veteran drivers so you can imagine how confusing it could appear to someone not familiar at all with the rules (me). What you posted lists the rules perfectly I think, and that’s what I was looking for; facts and not an opinion or educated guess.

Danielsahn, I’m not trying to make it complicated at all, I just didn’t know. Before I asked the question I did research on the rule both on TT and other websites and the comments about the 34 hour restart were not consistent, and that’s why I asked.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

Dan B. I must commend you for having the patience to read thru all the applicable legislation. It's nice to hear that you would go to such lengths. Wish you luck in whatever field you do pursue.

I would rather not have to do that but what I was reading from other people got so confusing I decide to look up the legislation. Part of my work years ago involved researching legislation, FAR clauses, etc., so it was easy to find.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

Dan, part of the reason your question, and the search for your answer is so confusing is that you do not even understand the rules in the first place

That's why one of the first things I did was state I had no real knowledge outside what I had read, which was just a few hours of research. But a lot of the material I read was confusing and that's why I asked the question to begin with. I think some of the other comments on here at least suggest the status of the rules makes it confusing. From the comments on here and the additional material I have read, I think I have a better handle on the rule now, but I still want to read more to make sure.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

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If I didn't know any better, I'd say the government was involved with this.

Dan, Are you asking if the government is involved with this forum?

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Not at all.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

Dan, are yuo reading the rule book? You would honestly do better with the Log Book section of the High Road Training Program. Then you only worry about what is going on now, not what is or ain't effective and do not worry yourself about 2011 or 2013 or whatever.

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Errol, when i first read 'suspended' I assumed it meant there was nothing in its place. I'm still reading through the legislation but can you confirm it left the 2003 34 hour reset rule in place?

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Basically the current 34 hour rule says, any time you go off duty or Sleeper for 34 hours, and your weekly clock (70 or 80 hours) is completely reset. One of the reasons dedicated routes have a weekend off is it gives you the opportunity to run those 10-11 driving hours per day and not worry about maxing out for the week. I, too, drive this schedule. I also have been on "recaps", which limits your daily drive if you work the 70/80 hour thing. Having a 3 hour day because of the limits is a real drag!

Errol, I had read so much material on the internet that gave conflicting information that I decided to go right to the source; the legislation itself. There is a lot of blather in some of it (they explain how they arrive at their decision) but I know I am reading the actual law. What i did not realize initially is that I was reading the 2011 law that was suspended. I'm over half way through now so I'll finish it and then look for the 2003 legislation. Then I'll go to any info on TT.

I still haven't decided 100% that I am going to do this but the schedule is really appealing. Or maybe I should say the lies in some of the ads are really appealing. Regardless, if I decide to do this I am not going to attend any CDL school until March or April so I have plenty of time to read through more material on this site.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

I looked up the suspension wording; currently suspended and reverts back to the restart rules in force from 2003-2012.

We have been living with these rules for a long time and as you will eventually see they become second nature void of surprises.

Sorry if I added to the confusion, not my intent.

So I should abandon the 2011 legislation I am reading now and search for the 2003 legislation. This is all new to me and when I saw the word suspended, I didn't know it left existing legislation in place.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say the government was involved with this.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

Errol, when i first read 'suspended' I assumed it meant there was nothing in its place. I'm still reading through the legislation but can you confirm it left the 2003 34 hour reset rule in place?

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

G-Town, I don't understand the reset rule well enough to say I take issue with it but I need to know how it would affect my ability to drive and make money.

I'm almost half way through reading the (revised legislation) and so far it seems clear that the rule affects a relatively small percentage of drivers. If I decide to move forward with this, eventually I would like to land something regional running nights on a 5 day schedule. The 34 hour reset would have no impact on me under those circumstances if I understand it correctly. But I think I should expect my first year to be OTR and it could have a significant impact depending on the route and how badly I am lied to.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

Rob S, I am still reading through all this but the actual legislation that suspended the rule was 1,603 pages long. The actual HOS rules that were suspended were passed in 2011 and is a 56 page report that I started to read. I started to read that prior to Kurt's comment that he believed it simply reverted back to whatever the rules were prior to the new rules, which makes sense.

If that is correct (which I believe it is) the reset rules in existence now were written in 2003 and I think (emphasis on think) were also 34 hour resets.

These guys that have been driving for a while like G-town and Errol seem to have a handle on the rules, but for someone who is just learning, it is about as confusing as can be.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

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From the sounds of the comments, I think I can assume this is a company policy if enforced, which is good. I don't want or need the government to tell me when I am tired.

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Well, Dan, the problem is, SOME people do require the government to tell them when they are tired. I've been running pretty good miles and still conforming to the hours.

E-logs will become required in the future and I can't say it's a bad thing. I don't want to be I the road with a guy on his 15th hour of his second log book.

Everyone has different sleep requirements and the government always lumps everyone into a one size fits all category. I sleep 5 1/2 hours a night and can s,s&s in 15 minutes flat. Eventually I hope to get something regional where this may be irrelevant, but I expect to have to do OTR for a year and I would struggle to find a way to fill 4 hours of dead time.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

G-Town, I did use that search function and read a few articles on HOS. But there still seems to be confusion on enforcement, that's why I asked. Kurt G’s comment about the rule reverting back to what they were before June 2013 will probably make sense of all this. I’m reading through that right now.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

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From the sounds of the comments, I think I can assume this is a company policy if enforced, which is good. I don't want or need the government to tell me when I am tired.

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The policy is not enforced at the discretion of an individual company. It's mandated by the government requiring carriers and drivers to comply with the rules.

Well, that's why I asked this question. From what I read in the FMCSA website, and what some other drivers have said here, it does sound as though the 34 hour reset rule has been suspended, but not everyone agrees with that.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

From the sounds of the comments, I think I can assume this is a company policy if enforced, which is good. I don't want or need the government to tell me when I am tired.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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HOS and 34 hour reset

Keep in mind I don’t even have my CDL; I’m still considering this as a career move so this question is based on comments I’ve heard from seasoned drivers.

I have seen a lot of comments about the HOS and 34 hour reset. I’ve read several hundred comments all over the net about the ‘reset’ rule and from everything I read, it appears the rule exists. There are a few threads on TT including one about lifting the reset rule, but the comments from drivers implied it is a legal requirement. Since some of the comments from seasoned drivers had variations in what the rule was, I decided to go right to the source; the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. I’ll cut and paste the info I found pertaining to the rule;

The Hours of Service of Drivers Final Rule was published in the Federal Register on December 27, 2011. The effective date of the Final Rule was February 27, 2012, and the compliance date of remaining provisions was July 1, 2013. NOTICE: The Consolidated and Further Continuing Appropriations Act of 2015 was enacted on December 16, 2014, suspending enforcement of requirements for use of the 34-hour restart. Enforcement of these requirements will remain suspended until the Secretary submits the CMV Driver Restart Study final report to Congress.

That comment from the FMCSA indicates the 34 hour reset rule was suspended on December 16, 2014 pending submission of the CMV Restart study to Congress. I followed everything I could find regarding this CMV Study, and it shows that the study was (is) scheduled for submission to Congress this month (December 2015). I am not sure if that has happened but even if it did they would allow a few months before enforcing again.

I can understand if companies have made the ‘34 hour reset’ a policy they choose to enforce, but everything I see from the FMCSA indicates the legal enforcement of the 34 hour reset policy is currently suspended. Can anyone clarify this?

Also, I have all the links to show where I am getting all this but I’m not sure if I can post comments with hyperlinks in them.

Posted:  3 years, 11 months ago

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Exercising when you're off.

I am not young for starters. But when I was young quite a few of my friends joined the Marine Corps. I can tell you that when they signed up, the Marine Corps 'exercise equipment' consisted of a pair of boots and some rope. They didn't have weight rooms or any fancy equipment like they do now.

When every single one of them emerged from boot camp, they were solid muscle and zero fat. Some were in decent shape when they signed up but there were a few blubberbutts. You don't need equipment at all if you put your heart and mind into it.

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