Comments By Lil'RedRidingHood

So... my fave trainer brought my favorite truck, but--let's back up a bit..
The state of WA is a funny funny place..
As it turns out, during our snow and alternate flooding last winter, they shut down the testing, and got way behind. To make matters worse, they lost examiners. A delay of 2 weeks at the start had ballooned to four when I graduated school.

So my test date was four weeks after graduation. I was both happy and sad--as I was in kinda rough shape still. The only thing I felt sort of confident in was the pretrip exam. And it--the state of WA has you memorize the whole thing, coming up with different adjectives for "abrasions, bulges and cuts", "cracked bent or broken", "properly mounted and secured"; --for each singular location on the truck and trailer. AND change the descriptions you must say every 6 months. I know I know. They're hilarious.
In-cab is the exact same way, though it is a lot closer to other states than the rest of the truck, so there's that.

To help during the interim, I took refresher training at the school, used a plastic toy-truck for pretend backing, and bought ATS, steering wheel, pedals and all. ATS--set up with the right mods and adjustments recommended by truckers that play it, is good for some things.
I had it set up on dual wide-screen monitors, and it did have effect. Things come at you way faster than in real life, and the backing is sort of realistic. So--with its help I got better at backing, and better at being calm in the city.

Then comes the day..
I was a MESS! Despite the preparation I was so nervous about the pretrip inspection. Having my favorite truck was great, it also felt like I needed to pass, given that special attention.

And what did I do? I failed the 90!!!! The school had cones and markers for where you were to stop, so doing the back was relatively easy. This parking lot? NOPE. Nor could you go out and look more than twice. I did have instructions from the school though... which had plum disappeared from my overstressed mind during the pretrip inspection.
I went out of bounds three times. Took forever too.

Now the kicker... re-testing was another five weeks. NOW I was worried. What would the carriers do? What would the carriers I was speaking with on the regular do? Would they pull their prehire? What now?
More ATS, more refreshing, as the weeks moved past at a snails pace.
FINALLY the day was there...

This time the trainer manager brought the truck--lo and behold, my FAVORITE truck again. Did I tell you just how cool these people are?
I was moving at a snails pace again... mindful of those damn cones and my lacking ability to keep it straight.. But I made it through it, with nothing left by the time I got to the 90. No more pull-ups, no more looks. I stared hard out the window--then remembered my backing trainer's advice: count the seconds, place the truck tandems AT the cone. I took a deep breath, counted to six--and nailed it in the box.
By then I damn near passed out lool... WHEW.. I'd made it. All I had to do now was drive.

Out on the route we go, past the bad corner, onto the streets, to the horrible tight turn.. and.. I made it! Late afternoon, the traffic was gnarly. There were dozens of times where I thought for sure I'd fail.. "dang it, forgot the mirror check there.., did I leave enough room?, HOLY COW that curb is close..
But I made it. When he said I'd passed I was so releived I was shaking.
That's when I learned--some of the students hadn't even tested their first time yet.. And the delay had gotten a lot bigger.

And I did it!!! I got a CDL!! HOLY COW I got a CDL!! I tested on Friday afternoon, and it took the whole weekend for it to sink in, that I had actually done it. I had passed my test and got a CDL.

CDL SCHOOL

So the school I started at was "on-demand", where you had to grab the training for yourself. The instructors were in the office, if they were not out driving with students. The ratio was pretty high, but--upside, this school was flexible for folks who needed to work a full-time job while getting their CDL. Their theory was excellent, with plenty of real-life advice I don't think other CDL schools give. Their instruction was focused the same way. However....

I was in a situation where we had a finite amount of cash; we could survive, but only for so long, so I really needed a firm end date. It became apparent quickly my path was NOT the best for me. Also, it became quickly apparent that I just wasn't of the caliber that the school required. The folks with a very steep learning curve, or just needing to refresh did excellent there. This was so not me.. but I hung in there..

What happened next, was really not their fault..
2021 & 22 was hard on equipment operators everywhere. Especially if your business model is to purchase old equipment and fix it. I happened to walk onto the scene when an old broken down truck was 80K, and parts could not be found anywhere.
Their trucks kept breaking. Old trucks do. But they didn't have any to replace those broken--which given it was -22 I really cannot fault them for. Hard for a small, even larger operation to find all the parts you need.

Now add my situation, and I knew I needed to do something different. So I enrolled in a full-time CDL school. School one was super understanding, refunded my money no questions asked. I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to do school part time, and for folks with some driving background.

School two: These people were AWESOME! It is where I would send other hopefuls first, for sure. If they could teach ME how to drive a 10-speed manual, and to pass my CDL, they could teach anyone.

I had such a hard time learning how to double clutch. Having driven a car-stick for decades was messing me up BAD. I had such a hard time wrapping my head around rhytm, placement of the clutch pedal, and the correct RPM. Finally they put me with a "fixer". This 5M miler gentleman will forever be close to my heart. Little by little he got it through my dumb skull how to shift a semi.

Then onto the city driving problem. I was terrified.... Not of the truck, but of ****ing the other drivers off and of the speed of everything. Of hitting anything, of my own damn shadow? Of the heavy traffic, of stop-signs, stop-lights, anything you can think of.

They took me out on the country roads, major arteries, the packed 3-lines in each diretion freeway. I was serene. They scratched their head. "You can really drive, why are you s****ing up so bad in the city?"

Two 7-million milers, an 8-million miler and my 5M sweet favorite teacher later, they had it figured out.. Tossed me in the simulator, where I had WAAAY too much fun. 7M miler who ran simulator said "with all I threw at you, there is no way you should have problems out there". There were kangaroos, blown steer tires, 60mph gusts, he even made the roads black ice and me drunk.

Nerves. Plain ol' nerves, coupled with lower performance when tired, which at times I was..

My fave teacher took me to the big city. I nailed it. The day after that? OH MY GOD let's just say I'm happy bonehead truckers weren't watching. I'd have good days, then STINK. A good day, then STINK. And when I stunk,I STUNK!!! I would do crazy things there's no human explanation for. But--I did not hit anything, or do any damage to the truck, so there's that.

Backing? Here again I was an oxymoron. I could do the 90. Sort of at first, then pretty good. Straight? I did ok, but not like the 90. Offset parking? HAHAHAHAHA! Oh GOD I'm glad bonehead truckers weren't looking. One thing that made a difference partway in, was getting half a day to just mess up. The school was closed on Fridays, so they could catch up with office work, maintenance etc, and the owner let me back unsupervised all morning. After awhile of turning the wheel and the truck doing EVERYTHING but what I wanted it to, things started to click.. Like the delay in the 53 ft trailer, where the trailer tandems where and what was going to happen next, and how to bring the trailer at least sorta straight when setting up with less than unlimited room.

Then come exam day, and my fave trainer personally drove the 50 miles to give me my favorite truck. YES this is how cool these people are..

Think I'm running out of allowed characters, so will continue in the next comment...

Hi everyone, sure has been a looooong time. Sitting at a SLC hotel writing this, waiting for my trainer to roll into town tomorrow..

So...I will break this diary up into two parts.

Part 1 will be a comment here, updating everyone on CDL school.
Part 2 will be my adventures with my carrier... which... you'll just have to read the other part to learn who... Spoiler alert, there are only a couple of threads I could find on all of TT about them... and they are not small... If you guess who.. SHHHH... Let the others sit with the cliffhanger haha.

The good stuff is coming in the next comment...

Did you pass OP? Hope so.

Per my calculations your test should have been today..

In case you did not.... or--just for others reading this.. Here are some things that I did to help me out.

1) Drive my little pickup pretending to be in a semi. You will look like an IDIOT, but who cares right? Take wide turns in your car. It will help, I promise. 2) American Truck Simulator: --Yes you heard that right. My issue was a bad case of nerves, plus being horrible at the 45-degree offset backing... No the game isn't realistic; --but it sure helped me on both the turns and the backing.

3) Ask the school for extra time / help. This is probably THE BEST thing you can do.

4) Get GOOD sleep before your test day. NO TV, go to bed early. Having a higher energy level will do wonders for your nerves.

I passed on my 2nd try. On my 1st I was a MESS.

The very best of luck to you; I hope you got it the first time, and if not--you'll nail it on the second try.

~Lil'Red

Thank you Anne. :)

I'm so glad I got permission as well. I also followed your advice and emailed Brett, who was very supportive. What an amazing man he is, to dedicate his life to helping others like he has.

I did PM you over on the gossip box (FB). It was waaaay late, but I did remember.

Yes the school is very different; but I think given what kind of industry I'm entering, this is decidedly a good thing. I also like that they have massive focus on road training. And I don't mean coast around the city block in a quiet industrial area. Once I can actually shift, instead of grinding the thing like it was grandma's porridge casserole, I think that will be great. DO send me a big box of Epipens though dear. I'm ordering a vat of smelling salts from Amazon.

Anyway, I'd better get back to making me some flash-cards for the pretrip inspection.

Lil' Red!!

What an excellent start, to what I'm sure shall be an EXCELLENT diary, m'lady.

I'm so glad G'Town gave you the go ahead, and YES, I'm following! (I haven't been on Meta in a few days, but will try today.)

So happy for you, is an understatement. The school sounds 'onerous' at best, which actually CAN work in one's favor!

Best wishes going forward, gal. TTYS!

~ Anne ~

I tell ya, my state needs a lobotomy. (Can I say that here?)

But hey--it's not like me throwing a fit in the governor's office would change anything, except me getting a nice vacation with a cool orange coverall & some nice slippers to go with it, so I just roll with it.

I'm not across the gap yet, I have yet to secure a contract anywhere. But--I do not give up easily. Per the DOT statistics of 2021, there are 813,440 carriers on file with the FMCSA. I'm really cute, so I'm sure one of them will want me.

And they will want you too. I think the key is, when you have a "black eye" like we do--is to show a lot of initiative.

Good luck with your school!

Glad to hear you got past the gap. I've got 15 years no work and start private school in April. Hoping that me footing the bill for that and having some endorsements, TWIC and passport will present enough value to companies they'll be willing to bite.

Your State requirements sound a bit onerous, I'd probably have borrowed a friend's address in another state 🤣

THE SCHOOL:

It has a flexible schedule, tailored to each student's needs, so that a person can study full-time, part-time, or on the weekends.

The training environment is on-demand; which depending on who you are as a person, can be a good thing or a very bad thing. If you need a lot of structure, this school is definitely not for you. For me--I see it as a positive.

We are heading into an occupation where we are for all intents and purposes the CEO of our little lives. We are entrusted with an expensive tractor and trailer, freight that can be worth a million dollars and more, and the lives of everyone on the road around us. That in itself is a ton of responsibility. On top of that we are entrusted the responsibility to be capable in communicating with shippers and receivers, the DOT, and other people we come across during our day, as REPRESENTATIVES of our employer. We have to be able to set up a schedule, figure out how to get there, communicate when we are available for a new load, any issues that arise, and many many other things.

No-one will hold our hand.

So therefore, for me, on-demand learning is perfect.

The curriculum conforms to WA state guidelines and the FMCSA's minimum guidelines.

160 hours total, which consists of 40 hours of classroom study; which now is required by the state, EVEN if you already have your CLP. If you want Hazmat that's an extra 16 hours, and DOL won't even let you sit for your test until you have finished it, and the state has looked over the results from your class.

For your practicum, you get 50 hours behind the wheel, which consists of 18 hours street driving, 16 hours backing, and 16 hours proficiency development, consisting of backing or driving. In addition, there are 70 hours of combined lab, range, or observation training; so--your on-duty not driving; such as pretrip inspections, coupling, chain installation, weight balancing and so on, and observing other students while driving, backing or pretripping. You also get lab credit for self-study that you do in any of the above.

The tuition comes to about 4K when you factor in drug testing, permit fees, skills testing fees et cetera.

So in this regard the school is probably like all the other ones. The important difference is the on-demand part.

In order to graduate, you must have the above, must pass the school's internal tests, put in an effort and do well. HOW YOU GET THERE, IS COMPLETELY UP TO YOU.

You decide when and how often you want to drive, when you want to back, and when you want to pretrip, and so on. Nobody babysits you. You want instruction? You ask--and it is given to you. You can take as little as 4 weeks to get there, or as long as 6 months. It is completely your call. You come and go to the school as you want.

Sounds a bit chaotic? It is. They will give you advice on what you should do first and last, but you ultimately decide.

Now here's the first real drawback. Without a firm schedule set up for everything, equipment may not be available when you want it, except for driving, which has a schedule.

Like I said--if a person craves structure, this is NOT the place.

The owner and the instructors are capable, experienced, kind and helpful people. Every last one I've met. They have a mix of instructor experience levels, from a few years behind the wheel, to 5-millon milers. Some are old-school, some are new-school, but they are all kind.

All the students I have met are also the kindest people, and the students that are further ahead help out the newbies, a lot.

I don't have any more time tonight; so next time I will tell about each day, my utter confusion to start with, and how it is now starting to come together, and the steps I took to ensure I am taken advantage of what is given.

Stay safe out there everyone

Lil'Red

Just WOW.

This story deserves another bump. What a harrowing journey Persian Conversion. God surely had his hand over you on that day. Thank you for being so brave and sharing it. It gives a newbie like me lots to think about, on always remembering to respect the equipment, not being overconfident, not being complacent.

So glad you are still here for your family, and to share your experience with us, so that hopefully we can learn from it.

Thank you so so much.

God Bless.

Lil'Red

...Continued from above:

Beside Prime, I spoke with two other carriers, and several private schools. Because of our life situation--I need to get my CDL and find a job (and be at least mostly through road training) by early fall this year, so waiting was not an option for me. People have mentioned moving, and we may do this--but as homeowners this needs to be right financially. Hell (can I say hell?), the DMV rep in the CDL division even suggested I'd get a PO box in Portland Oregon! But I digress...

So. One carrier school was listed. LUCKY ME! Swift's Idaho location is approved by our state. And here is where the employment gap comes in.

I sent them a quick introductory e-mail with some initial questions, clicked the "send me texts" button on their website, and waited. Couple of days later a gentleman called, unfortunately at a time I was not available. Over the next week he left voicemails, and I left voicemails. We were finally able to connect on the phone, where after a 5 minute conversation he advised me not to apply, due to my very large employment gap. I think perhaps playing phone-tag, trying to set up an appointment also played a role.

Note to self: If the next carrier's recruiter is old school, put him or her in contacts and keep the phone on me 24/7. Lesson learned.

Also, I am guessing that with all the new laws, and the carriers losing masses of trainers, plus the equipment being difficult to get; they want the cream of the crop when they sink thousands of dollars of training into someone. And I don't blame them. If I owned a carrier, I would do the exact same thing.

So... while that might look bleak it is not so bad. Two other carriers wanted me to apply when I got close to graduating from private school, one of them being Prime, and the other a larger carrier in my state, which no longer has their own school (closed it down at the beginning of this year, bummer).

And this is when I enrolled in Private CDL school, and the adventure began. Let me be CLEAR. If you are reading this and think private schools are lollipops and unicorns, READ THIS FORUM. EVEN IF YOU WON THE LOTTERY--read it. If you can get into a paid school at a carrier's location, DO SO.

I am hoping this diary will entertain, inform, inspire, and perhaps at times be a warning.

The school shall remain nameless, as my impressions are forming day by day, some good--some less than good. I would suspect that in many ways they are representative of all the other private schools around the nation.

My next post in this thread starts the diary.

Thank you for following along this far.

Hi Everyone, I'll start with a brief introduction. I'm one of those people who always wanted to hit that big road in that big truck, but due to life's various turns just never put it into action. My background is as an office professional in heavy industry. In 2016 I found this forum, and started getting some good information about the industry, in contrast to what can be found in some other locations.

My serious preparation started last fall, and this community has been just GOLD in that process.

I knew I would have to be resourceful, as I have a very long employment gap, which not all carriers are fond of. Sifted through lots of ideas in the process, some good, some bad, and some so bad the Crypt Keeper was crying under his bed.

I looked at carriers that would let you buy into the truck, (not lease or buy)--yes, RUN and run away fast. I looked at buying a truck and doing hotshot. I looked at leasing, from carrier and from leasing company. Looked at employers, tools of the road, training programs, and so forth.

Over time, with the input of so many of the kind folks here, my direction--which looked much like a spaghetti casserole, solidified.

I found some good employers to talk to. It was also time to select a CDL school, and hit the High Road Training app on this forum. It is great by the way.

My nose was pointed in one direction (Prime--which I have a huge girl-crush on), when kind Kearsey alerted me to a wrinkle in my state's CDL school laws I was not aware of. My state must approve the school, and list it. For a long treatise on the finer points of WA DOL Laws--go check out This Thread, and This Thread.

Suffice to say, my options were limited. And I was BUMMED. I wanted to go to Prime for their top notch training.

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