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    Charlotte , NC

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    Rookie Solo Driver

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    5 months, 3 weeks ago

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41 years old currently driving a cement truck

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Posted:  5 days ago

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Need help with offers I’ve received

I briefly worked for TMC. Still in contact with the guys from my class. It’s a great company, and you will earn 50K your first year. Perhaps more. Flatbed is a lot harder work though.

Posted:  1 month ago

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Swift CDL training

The school I went to, was used to train swift drivers. They took good care of their students. Put them up in a nice hotel, and none that I talk with had anything bad to say. They are a great company. You don’t get to be that large by doing it wrong.

Posted:  1 month ago

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Trying to get my career started in trucking.

Do you know why you were denied by tmc?

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Coronavirus

Everyone is going to die. Truckers will be last though. Somebody has to haul the bodies to the mass graves

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Current class B driver considering a class A career

Jay, why do you consider financed tuition to be evil?

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ll I’m saying is people should realize they are on the hook for a substantial amount of money should they fail. I feel that could be stressed a little more.

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They are two ways to pay: your own savings, or Other People's Money. Should you fail at any big ticket plan, you are out the dough, whether you're savings are gone or you owe big time.

So don't sign up for any CDL school if you expect to drop out before you get a job. Be safe and keep hauling the mud.

I don’t consider it evil. I think it’s a good thing all I’m saying is if you don’t give them a year you will be on the hook for more than you might have gotten through private school for. I agree with 95 percent of what you guys preach. In this case I don’t think there’s a huge issue if he goes the private school route. He already has a B we know he has a clean driving record, and is a good driver with his 29 foot truck. He isn’t as green as most. Again I’m not advocating private school for every person. Had private school been 6K for me I would’ve went with company sponsored training.

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Current class B driver considering a class A career

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Everyone in this group pushes hard for sponsored school.(makes me think the referral/recruiting fees from these links are pretty high)

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You guys are so cynical. I've been on this journey of helping new drivers for about seven years. Nobody's ever paid me a single dime, nor would I ever want to receive any remuneration.

Jay, if you had any concept of the size of the audience here, you'd understand the "rooftoos" reference. A lot of people read these conversations.

It has to be huge. I lurked for months before joining.

Look I’m not trying to tell everyone to take my route. What you guys prescribe is right for almost all. This guy is the exception imo. If I was on every thread shouting this it would be wrong. I’ve read the horror stories of people going the private school route. What you guys do should be commended. All I’m saying is people should realize they are on the hook for a substantial amount of money should they fail. I feel that could be stressed a little more. My buddy was shocked. (It was all his fault. He didn’t do his homework) but we both know most don’t do their homework. If they did there would never be stories of guys with horrible driving records going to private schools and having a worthless CDL from it.

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Current class B driver considering a class A career

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All these guys give great advice but one thing I don’t understand is they readily admit 90-95 percent fail at OTR , why push people into something where if and when they fail they will have a 6-7000 dollar bill hanging over their head.

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First off that high percentage of failure is not related to OTR. It's just related to truck driving in general. Jay, you have only your own limited experience to go by, and it's extremely rudimentary. You've done a lot of things we don't consider as "best practices" when starting this career. So far it's working for you, and we are glad of it.

I would never recommend starting out driving a concrete truck, or a dump truck. Those jobs have killed a lot of trucking careers. As soon as a minivan full of little kids slams on the breaks in front of you while you've got 10 yards of mud loaded, you'll understand why I think those jobs are terribly dangerous for rookies.

We teach best practices. You took a shortcut to what you wanted. That's fine, but please don't be thinking you've got some super secret formula for success that needs to be shouted from the roof tops. So far you've been fortunate. I hope that trend continues.

First off I’m not shouting it from the rooftops. This gentleman is a special example. He has truck driving experience. Here in charlotte driving similar style trucks pays well, however he lives in a rural area, and the jobs aren’t as plentiful. At the time I didn’t know that. Now I do.

As for private vs sponsored school. Regardless the failure rate is high. Everyone in this group pushes hard for sponsored school.(makes me think the referral/recruiting fees from these links are pretty high) the thing I don’t see mentioned is hey while this is a great route, if you fail to complete it. you will be on the hook for a substantial amount of money. It’s not like only 2-3 percent are failing because they went to a company sponsored school. We both know it’s still really really high.

As for me. I know I’m extremely fourtunate. You’re right cement trucks aren’t easy to drive. (They have the highest rollover rate in the industry) I have way less braking power for almost the same amount of weight. What I do know OTR wasn’t for me. I’m glad I did it my way, because I was able to pay for school out of pocket. And 2850 is better than 5-7000 no matter how you slice it.

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Current class B driver considering a class A career

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RWD

All these guys give great advice but one thing I don’t understand is they readily admit 90-95 percent fail at OTR, why push people into something where if and when they fail they will have a 6-7000 dollar bill hanging over their head.

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I'll give you one of the biggest reasons why people quit in the first three months. It's because they spend more time researching a few cents per mile difference, or the color of the trucks, or how many days a week they can have off, or if they will have to train with someone that may not give them a hug every single time the trainee does what he or she has been told.

What these same wannabes should be doing is soul-searching, asking good questions on here, listening to those that know what we speak of, and being honest with themselves as far as the trucking lifestyle (not a job) will truly affect them.

Those that don't do adequate research, those that don't do the TT High Road Training Program, those that don't read Brett's book, and those that jump into this on a whim without committing everything to success are the ones that are most likely to fail.

I worked on a cruise ship. I did a lot of reading, but it didn’t prepare me for it. When I was training on land for 3 weeks I asked workers that had worked on board questions they would simply respond ship life. I could try to explain it to you now, but until you experience it all I can say is ship life.

I feel the same way about trucking. You can read all you want, but until you drive the truck. back the truck. wait To get loaded. wait to get unloaded. try to find parking. Deal with weather. Deal with dispatchers. Etc etc etc you won’t understand. All I can say is truck life. You gotta be out there to see what it’s like, and let’s be honest it takes a very specific type of person to do the job. Its definitely not for everyone. I’d just hate to see someone be on the hook like my buddy from school is.

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Current class B driver considering a class A career

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I have an auto restriction as well. Our fleet is over 100 trucks and all are auto. I had basically zero experience, I applied for hundreds of cdl B jobs. I live in charlotte nc and the area is booming. Most of them all pay 18 plus an hour. It doesn’t have to be cement. Check out indeed and other job boards.

One other thing is like to touch on is private school. I went against the advice of this group and went to private school. I understand why they recommend company training. A lot of people don’t do their homework go to private school, and have some sort of record that keeps them from getting hired. I have a clean record, and didn’t want to commit to a contract. Which brings me to my next point. All these guys give great advice but one thing I don’t understand is they readily admit 90-95 percent fail at OTR, why push people into something where if and when they fail they will have a 6-7000 dollar bill hanging over their head.

I paid 2850 for my schooling. There was a kid that was in school with me that was signed up with Stevens transport. They paid for his schooling. He lasted 4 weeks, and the very next day after quitting he had an email wanting 7,600 dollars for his schooling. I have the email he sent it to me. I didn’t want that. I found out that OTR wasn’t for me, but 2850 is a lot better than 7600. I also wasn’t bound by a no compete clause and could go to work with my current company

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Requesting Advice About Choosing A Company

What part of nc are you from?

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Current class B driver considering a class A career

Have you looked into other class B jobs? I have an A, and landed a cement truck gig, and I’m making the same if not better money than my classmates that went OTR.

You have experience depending on your area of the country I would exhaust all my options before making the jump.

Posted:  1 month, 1 week ago

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Got my CDL! Orientation with TMC next week

I want to see a picture of this grass everyone refers to.

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One piece of advice, in case you haven't heard:

STAY OFF THE GRASS!. It's a test of whether you can read signs and comply.

I didn’t see the grass in Des Moines during my brief stint with TMC, but the facilities I did see were amazing. Just like their trucks

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Posted:  1 month, 2 weeks ago

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I got a local job! Praise God!

This had been quite the ride. I’m thankful for exactly how it turned out. I must start this story off by saying I love jesus. I have a great life. A wonderful wife and two absolute blessings that are my kids.

Somewhere along the line some of it my doing some of it my wife’s doing, we fell out of church and actually separated. For over 4 years. We got back together 2 years ago, but it had been rocky the last year. We talked about church, but never went back.

Fast forward now to the trucking career. At one time I would constantly pray about things. Those days were long gone, and I did the trucking school with a great deal of uneasiness about it. It never felt right. I choose a company the same way. It never felt right. Guess what I never prayed.

I did something while on the truck that I hadn’t done in a long time. I prayed, and I prayed a lot. I truly believe everything happens as planned. I’m not bitter about the time with TMC. I’m thankful for it. I cried sitting in that Denny’s, not out of sadness but because I could see god’s hand on everything. I had some bitterness right after it happened, that’s just being human. It’s passed now. It was Thursday night when that happened and I couldn’t wait for Sunday. I made up my mind that I would be back in church, and that Jesus was going to be first in my life again.

I had planned on going back out with a new trainer I really did enjoy driving that truck, but each day that passed I knew it wasn’t for me. I can be kinda of stubborn, and I said I’m going to get a local driving job, preferably a smaller class B type job. Everything I read here and elsewhere said you need experience for that.

I applied at a ton of jobs. I got zero responses. Early on I saw an ad on Craigslist.(seems like most stuff on Craigslist is a scam these days) it was for driving a cement truck. It was close to the house. I didn’t call. I had all kind of thoughts. Mostly negative, and I’m not that type of person. You don’t have experience. The trucks are probably manual on and on. I didnt call. A week went by the ad was on again. This time I called. Guy was nice. He about jumped through the phone when he heard I lived close to the plant. Told me to stop by and fill out an app. I thought of a lot of reasons not to, but I did.

Two short days later I get a call, asking when I can meet for an interview. (Wow this is really happening.) we set it up 2 days later. My wife goes I got a good feeling about this. She was right. I interviewed with the safety manager. Super nice guy. Wanted to know why I left TMC. Told him I was struggling to back. He laughed, said I wouldn’t have trouble with here. Asked how much money I was expecting an hour. I told him well I have no experience so I don’t expect a lot told him my number. He laughed. Said this will make you smile and said it would be 3 dollars more than I had asked for 😳😳😳. Handed me a piece of paper and said go get drug tested, and just like that I had my local job.

I started last week. I believe in signs. I love cats, but I’m mildly allergic so we don’t have them anymore. I went to the main office and I walk in and there’s a beautiful cat, and I called him and the guy goes eh watch him he can be funny with people. He came right over and was so sweet, just happy to get some pets, and was purring up a storm. Made my day! It was typical first day stuff, and I was to go to the plant close to my house, the following day to start training.

I show up they plant is 7 miles from my house. Trainer is super nice, but half way through the day he told me I’d be training with a new guy tomorrow. I must admit I wasn’t happy cause I liked this guy. I got to unload the cement on our second load and drive the truck back to the plant. We got rain the next day. No driving. we hung out for a few hours. Shoveled a little sand and gravel.

Next day I get my new trainer. Holy heck this guy is awesome. Just on point. Goes I believe in repeat and reputition. I’m going to keep repeating stuff over and over, and he does, and it’s good. Come to find out he’s training me because I’m going to have the oldest truck in the company, and the other trainer doesn’t want to drive it. Nobody likes this truck I guess. I do, and my trainer does too. Is it old. Yep, but the company really maintains its equipment. I have no issues with it. I think they stick the new guy in it on purpose. I’m fine with that.

I love driving this truck. It’s a dream. I can back it without any issues, which I knew. Anybody should be able to. I can’t wait for work in the morning. I have another 8-10 days of training. It all depends on the weather. I’m in no rush and the company isn’t either.

I’m very happy I’m home every night. I’m off sundays and some Saturdays I get to coach my son’s baseball team. The pay is amazing. The same I would’ve made with TMC. Most important I’m back in church. I could go in to work tomorrow and get fired, and that’s ok, because God is good. He’s all I need! I’m so thankful for this journey. I’m thankful for this page, and you guys. You are all very honest and I hope you don’t mind me sharing my story like this. Thanks for reading!

Posted:  2 months ago

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Is This For Real?

After thinking about this for a while, it may come in handy for you trainers out there.

"You didn't back it into the dock as I've shown you for the past 23 days.

Get in the box!"

Haha that’s funny! I would’ve been sleeping in the box 😂😂😂

Posted:  2 months ago

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Driver fatality

This happened 3 miles from my house. Someone hit me at this intersection 2 years ago. It’s such a nasty intersection. I’d try to describe it but it’s cluster you know what.

The accident left me shaken. I was heading southbound, and passed this truck as he was heading northbound, 5 minutes before the accident. I read today that the other driver will be charged. Wasn’t the truck drivers fault. My heart breaks for his family.

Posted:  2 months, 1 week ago

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Driving a Greyhound Bus?

I met an older gentleman a few months back. He was retired from driving trucks, and saw my car, and the uber decal, and he was asking me about it, since he was retired and bored at home. He had something like 4 million safe miles over half with greyhound. He retired from them over 20 years ago, but said he carried a gun in his boot the whole time, and would stand at the top step smelling everyone as they got on. If they smelled of booze or weed he deny boarding. He said there’s no way he would do the job today. He said he wouldn’t be allowed to do what he did back then.

Along those same lines I’ve deiven around a dozen people when doing uber from the bus station every single one was weird. I decline any rides from there now. I don’t want one bus rider. Couldn’t imagine 50 of them

Posted:  2 months, 1 week ago

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Trainer kicked me off the truck tonight!

Brett it’s been a week, and you know what I would do things differently.

When I was 19 I worked on a vegetable farm. It was a lot of fun.(I grew up on a farm) one fall day there was about 12 of us picking pumpkins. All teenage boys, and the youngest was 14. We picked on him relentlessly. He took it like a champ. That day however one guy went too far. He took a pumpkin and threw it from the wagon and hit the 14 year old boy square in the back as he was bent over. The kid had to go to the hospital he had a bruised kidney. The Forman who was 23 and was in on it, pulled us all aside, and came up with an elaborate story. One problem! Me. I had values. I knew what happened, and I knew how serious it was. I knew what the truth was. The Forman was best friends with the owner. It was an uphill battle. One day the owner finally looked at me, and said you know what. Your story is the only one that hasn’t changed. Everyone else’s changes every time they tell it. It’s funny how the truth never changes. It’s so simple. I lost friendships over that, but I gained the respect of the owner.

I wish at 41 I was as firm in my principles as I was at 19. If I was, when this trainer uttered the N word I would’ve pulled that truck over and gotten off of it. You said we had a difference in values, and that’s false. He had serious character flaws, and was a horrible person. He repeatedly bragged about how he was an a-hole. If that makes me weak or soft so be it. I wanted to do this so bad that I left things go that I would’ve never let go in the past. Wrong is wrong and right is right.

I don’t think I’m cut out to be a truck driver. I struggle with my left and right. I have my whole life. Makes backing tough. I have no doubts if I could have unlimited time I could get it, but that’s not realistic, and that’s Ok.

I truly thank you for this website it’s one of a kind, and provides a great service. Job well done. I learned a lot for these forums and all the articles you have.

Posted:  2 months, 1 week ago

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Trainer kicked me off the truck tonight!

I don’t believe anything jay said about his trainer. None of it. It’s his word against his trainers. Jay was in a state of emotional overload and he admitted this. The way he perceived things was probably mostly in his head. I benefited so much from the things Brett, oldness and others have written on this forum before I went out with trainers. I think if J would of found the trucking truth before he went out he would of succeeded. Instead he found the trucking truth and used it to try and ruin his trainers life. If your brand new and getting on with a trainer and they hold you bound and gagged in the sleeper then please rat them out as soon as you possibly can. If you don't have a thick skin then now is the time to grow one. If your coming out of the private cdl school and going on to a company like Tmc it's going to be a real struggle. Your skills are not there yet. Instead of letting your emotions get the best of you put into practice everything you can learn from the trucking truth. Don't get all bent out of shape when someone calls you out for sucking. Your supposed to be able to perform if you wEnt to a private cdl school. Your a licensed cdl driver. Your not in training to learn how to back. Your in training to learn the company policies. Your there to learn how the company does things. Your there to learn securement and the lifestyle of being a trucker. Your there to prove you got what it takes to be on the team. This trainer probably doesn't have much to say to his boss about this new guy except that he's a problem and a rat. I don't think it will look good on him. I think this trainer is probably a really good trainer. He took him to practice backing. Most wouldn't do that for you.

It’s you’re. Also you assume a lot. I’ve been here for months, and I didn’t try and ruin anyone’s life. I never once mentioned this guy by name, and I post under an alias as well.

Posted:  2 months, 2 weeks ago

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Trainer kicked me off the truck tonight!

I start my training at TMC next week. I am looking forward to to as it is a complete career change for me after 20years in the oil field. You may want to look take a look back at what your trainer may have perceived of you as a trainee. And what he may have expected from you. Truck driving is a very independent job where you are responsible for every thing that happens to the truck and it’s cargo. You brought up many examples of things that he was not doing and may have not been doing correctly. In my personal opinion you should have been up and doing he Pre-trip before he even started doing his. ( It would give you an opportunity to compare notes on anything you may have missed, and even if he did not do it as least you know it was done.) When you got the gash on the front tire that was a good catch on your part. But maybe the trainer was waiting to see if you would take responsibility and make sure the tire was fixed before heading out. ( there was a good possibility that he seen the split and felt that it was safe enough to travel on for a short time after his years of experience but with your inexperience you should have it repaired immediately.) While being irritated while you were practicing your backing skills. Did he just tell you it is time to practice your backing or did you ask him for time to practice because you knew it was a weak point that you need to work on. Because he may have seen that as a lack of initiative on your part if you knew that was a weakness in your skills and was not take a proactive approach to gain better skills and experience. As for securing your load where you getting prepared for the upcoming task of securing your load while you were being loaded or did he have to tell you. Your trainer forgetting his license should have been a good opportunity to get all the driving experience you could be simply saying since you forgot your license why don’t you let me do the driving. Because the way I see it you are both licensed CDL holders and both employees of the same company so you both are responsible for safe and legal operation of the truck. The reason I brought up these points are not to criticize you but to bring up some possible reasoning on why the trainer behaved like he did. You have to remember as a trainer he probably has had a lot of trainees that just want to say they are a truck driver and not truly put the effort into it. I have been on both sides of the fence in my 20 years in the oilfield of being a trainer and trainee. You need to realize that just because someone is a driver does not mean they are a good teacher. He may just be an old school driver and a hard a$$ from a different generation. But really does care about the people he trains and wants you see the whole picture and not just one aspect of the job of being a steering wheel holder. So maybe with your next trainer go with the attitude that you are a truck driver and take charge of you career and every opportunity to gain knowledge and use your knowledge you have gained to work as team with you trainer to make both of your jobs easier. But there is a possibility that the guy is just a a&&h@le and nothing you could have done would have been right. Good luck.

Good lord you have all the answers! You will do great. As for me let’s see.

Pretrip. 1st day trainer goes I pretrip every Sunday. There’s no need for us to pretrip. The first time I gave this guy any pushback was 9 days in, and it got me kicked off the truck. I’m sure me going against his wishes doing a pretrip would’ve went over great.

The tire issue, no the trainer didn’t see it. We swapped trailers on Monday. He didn’t check the trailer. Why? Because he was slamming things around and was angry over my backing. When I found the tire. His response was wow I can’t believe it’s holding air, and later he said I should’ve inspected that trailer on Monday. When I found it I asked should we fix it now, and he said normally yes but I want to get going and get it fixed later.

As for him losing his liencse. Trainees do almost all of the driving me saying something like hey I’ll do all of the driving would’ve been stupid. Hello I’m going to the majority of the driving anyway.

As for what I could’ve done different? I haven’t stopped thinking about this since it happened. I’m a very reflective person, and I’m the first to say, hey you know what I could’ve done this or that differently. I honestly can’t think of one thing I did. I honestly wouldn’t change a thing.

I know the guy hates his job the little bit of talking he did was about that, and how he would be working till he died. I know TMC made him stop training before. (Wouldn’t say why) I also know he said another trainee accused him as being racist. He said 4 racial slurs in my 9 days with him. I’m white, and so was he. That wasn’t a fight I was going to have. It didn’t pertain to me.

The guy literally gave me no feedback either good or bad. Would stay in the sleeper for hours on end. One time there was another flatbed that wrecked I asked the next day did you see that wreck, he goes what wreck? I just figured it was traffic. I guess maybe my driving going forward is that good, that he didn’t have anything to say for 6 hours.

Good luck next week. TMC is first class and the classroom training is amazing.

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Balancing on one leg during physical assessment

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Hey all. I am wanting to get into the truck driving industry. I have done a lot of research and had applied to multiple places. I had decided on TMC trucking for their CDL training, and have been accepted by them.

I was watching some videos on YouTube today about their physical assessment during orientation, and one of the guys mentioned that they have you balance on each leg for 30 seconds. I can do this no problem on any left leg, but due to me not being able to control the toes in my right foot (since birth), i cannot balance for very long on my right.

I was wondering if this a requirement for most trucking companies? I have reached out to my recruiter at TMC but have not heard back from him.

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Will you be going through their school at Columbia or Iowa? I did a two week orientation at Columbia and we didn’t even balance on our legs. We had to pick up both tarps climb a 15 foot ladder get off climb back down jump up onto the flatbed even though it’s against company policy. Lol. It was very casual and laid back

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Iowa. From what I've read, all new driver CDL trainees go to Iowa ... I'm not positive wether that is for sure though. I live in Virginia.

Are you still with them? How are you like driving for them?

I’m still training. They are a great company. They definitely do cdl training at Columbia I talked to the students. I’d push for that personally

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