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Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

Pam, this is one of those circumstances where it sure would have been helpful if you would have let us know what was going on before you made any career-altering decisions. Getting terminated for a refusal to take a drug test is about the worst thing that could have happened for your career. Unless you can get this removed from your record I don't know how you're going to find another job. It's going to be next to impossible.

The first course of action is to try like mad to get this worked out with Swift. I have no idea if that's possible or not. If it is, get back there and get to work. If you can't get re-hired there then try to make sure they don't list this as a failed drug test. Again, I really have no idea what your chances are of making that happen.

I'm afraid at this point there isn't much we can do except cheer you on and hope things work out for the best.

RESULTS ARE IN!!!

According to DOT-No Refusal. Had my own 5-panel hair follicle test done at LabCorp. Negative on all five.

Swift admits lots of confusion and unclear on their part, but employment verification will show discharge for refusal. Still working on it.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Beyond the Cover

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Has anyone had a chance to read this? Found it by accident. Am enthralled. My kind of guy!!

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Such an honest and comical view about trucking (so far), I highly recommend.

Reading it on my phone.

Author: Jason Kent.

Such a good read so far. Educational too. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Beyond the Cover

Has anyone had a chance to read this? Found it by accident. Am enthralled. My kind of guy!!

Such an honest and comical view about trucking (so far), I highly recommend.

Reading it on my phone.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Beyond the Cover

Has anyone had a chance to read this? Found it by accident. Am enthralled. My kind of guy!!

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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2 week notice with Schneider

Right, but also consider that you only have 2 months experience so maybe your trip planning skills aren't very good. There's almost always time to take a short nap, you just have to make time for it. I don't belief there's an excuse for not getting your proper rest. I mean, you're given 10 hours each day to use for resting. Sure, an hour or two is used for other things but that's still 8 hours to sleep. I ran 3,650 miles last week and I felt fine. Use that 10 hours cautiously and maximum your sleeping time.

No company can afford for their drivers to be late all the time. Your local company will be just as strict if not more strict about this. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Your trip planning will get better in time.

No kidding. Trip planning really means double checking your dispatcher's work. They know what the customer needs. Drivers are the middle man. It's ultimately up to the driver, as the Captain of the ship, to see if it can be done.

I wouldn't want a dispatcher's job and I'm equally sure they wouldn't want mine.

Two heads are better than one. Maybe that's why they created the macro om Qualcomm on whether to accept or reject.

Think it through. Make sure you can deliver before you start counting the cash. Refusal isn't always bad.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

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Pam,

from the perspective you have refused to take the drug test. its that simple.

no matter what the law is... if you sign a contract or acknowledge a companies standards... as long as they fall within in the law or more strict they are perfectly in the right of way to protect theirself.

the best thing to do now is to be a busy bee. if you are clean go prove it. eat crow. beg them to not put it on your DAC if they havent already. if worse comes to worse, buy a truck a find a broker.

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Non-DOT required refusal is not a refusal with no consequences from dot. It will not go on my DAC. Their internal records will reflect refusal. It was a complicated situation. I'm just asking if their records will hurt me in the future.

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I didnt see that post until after I had already posted. and as you can see from y firest reply I accidently hit submit so... mistakes are made by all of us.

If you didnt really refuse, why would you let them say you refused? even if its not on your DAC.

I would ask for my job back.

That's what I'm trying to find out. What's that old saying "a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush". Something like that.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

Pam,

from the perspective you have refused to take the drug test. its that simple.

no matter what the law is... if you sign a contract or acknowledge a companies standards... as long as they fall within in the law or more strict they are perfectly in the right of way to protect theirself.

the best thing to do now is to be a busy bee. if you are clean go prove it. eat crow. beg them to not put it on your DAC if they havent already. if worse comes to worse, buy a truck a find a broker.

Non-DOT required refusal is not a refusal with no consequences from dot. It will not go on my DAC. Their internal records will reflect refusal. It was a complicated situation. I'm just asking if their records will hurt me in the future.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Salado, TX Bridge Accident

First of all my heart and prayers go out to the young man who lost his life in that tragic situation. So sad.

It's always the driver's fault, but I went under that bridge on March 7. DOT said there were 3 signs posted, but I only saw 1. It was about 8" high and 3 foot long on the right side of the road. It said. "LOW CLEARANCE AHEAD 13'-6". I started slowing down and getting as far to the right of the right lane (low side of the road) cause if I hit a piece of gravel underneath I might hit the bridge. This alone could cause an accident. I remembered thinking did I miss the stand back there passing out the Vaseline to lather the top of my trailer down to get under.

Not what a driver expects to see on a major interstate. 13-6.

When I saw the accident pics online something was different. Took a minute then I knew. Concrete barriers were there that weren't there when I went through.

Now there's a height hazard as well as left and right. I don't think the tiny signs were enough. Attenuator trailer sign warning drivers as well as public would have been better.

We see the signs but the public doesn't. Proper warning would have slowed everyone down. It was a very dangerous situation. With cars buzzing around, construction workers and equipment. Looking at width of barriers ahead, I can see how he could have missed the dinky little sign.

Keep your eyes open my friends!!

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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I can't drive 55

Drive in California. They'll love you. I had to really watch my speed governed at 62!!!

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

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Pam, this is one of those circumstances where it sure would have been helpful if you would have let us know what was going on before you made any career-altering decisions. Getting terminated for a refusal to take a drug test is about the worst thing that could have happened for your career. Unless you can get this removed from your record I don't know how you're going to find another job. It's going to be next to impossible.

The first course of action is to try like mad to get this worked out with Swift. I have no idea if that's possible or not. If it is, get back there and get to work. If you can't get re-hired there then try to make sure they don't list this as a failed drug test. Again, I really have no idea what your chances are of making that happen.

I'm afraid at this point there isn't much we can do except cheer you on and hope things work out for the best.

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Thank you Brett. Ignorance didn't work in my favor I'm afraid. I just didn't know.

This never was about about a drug test. They were just looking for a way to get rid of me because I was complaining about my paycheck. Trainer was keeping me in sleep er berth 15, 16,17 hours a day. They only pay for on duty hours. My first day I worked over 15 hours and got paid 1 hour and 7 minutes.

They already have 1 class action pending against them. Unfortunately, the attorneys I talked to just want to start another one over the payroll thing, not the refusal.

Wouldn't it just be easier to pay your employees what you owe them instead of the time and expense of a huge lawsuit?

Some people never learn. At least I'll get the satisfaction of knowing I helped get other trainees the money Swift cheated them out of so they could stuff it back in their own greedy pockets.

Trucking 101. If the wheels aren't turning, nobody gets a paycheck!!!

I'm also gonna look into going to an independent lab and having a hair follicle test on my own. I'll send the results along with a personal copy of the lawsuit.

Although my career may have been short-lived, it was one of the most beautiful experiences in my life!!!

Since there was so much confusion and mistakes (both sides to be fair) Swift has agreed to compromise and offer Non-DOT Required Refusal. Won't go on my record but reason for discharge. Should I agree to this?

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

Pam, this is one of those circumstances where it sure would have been helpful if you would have let us know what was going on before you made any career-altering decisions. Getting terminated for a refusal to take a drug test is about the worst thing that could have happened for your career. Unless you can get this removed from your record I don't know how you're going to find another job. It's going to be next to impossible.

The first course of action is to try like mad to get this worked out with Swift. I have no idea if that's possible or not. If it is, get back there and get to work. If you can't get re-hired there then try to make sure they don't list this as a failed drug test. Again, I really have no idea what your chances are of making that happen.

I'm afraid at this point there isn't much we can do except cheer you on and hope things work out for the best.

Thank you Brett. Ignorance didn't work in my favor I'm afraid. I just didn't know.

This never was about about a drug test. They were just looking for a way to get rid of me because I was complaining about my paycheck. Trainer was keeping me in sleep er berth 15, 16,17 hours a day. They only pay for on duty hours. My first day I worked over 15 hours and got paid 1 hour and 7 minutes.

They already have 1 class action pending against them. Unfortunately, the attorneys I talked to just want to start another one over the payroll thing, not the refusal.

Wouldn't it just be easier to pay your employees what you owe them instead of the time and expense of a huge lawsuit?

Some people never learn. At least I'll get the satisfaction of knowing I helped get other trainees the money Swift cheated them out of so they could stuff it back in their own greedy pockets.

Trucking 101. If the wheels aren't turning, nobody gets a paycheck!!!

I'm also gonna look into going to an independent lab and having a hair follicle test on my own. I'll send the results along with a personal copy of the lawsuit.

Although my career may have been short-lived, it was one of the most beautiful experiences in my life!!!

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

Well, sounds funny the trainer was there with you at the time? So why don't she back you up? Since she would know more or less if you had drank or whatever. Red flag to me, is going home "so I went home n let them know I thought I needed advice" Would possibly look like buying time to get whatever out of your system, even though you may not had anything.

I had it at Ford dealer, worked on a city bus, in the heavy line bay. Well the roll up door was lowered, I'm guessing by the mop up guy, becuz last I seen it was up fully. I get in the bus to back it out of the bay, with my foot on the brake, idling back, when WHAMMO! I run into bout 4 feet of roll up door. Right then and there, the supervisor got a lead guy to run me down to the clinic for a pee test.

I'm like ok whatever, you guys know I don't drink, or do dope, spend your money ;) Most jobs I've seen the same thing, immediately they run them down to test. Worked with a coke head, he got sent this one night for drug test, well, parts guy takes him, (they are buddies) so he made a detour by his house, and had his wife donate the sample. We found out later, he was Pregnant !!! and now jobless hahaha

Can't depend on trainer she was in terminal applying for another job. Besides all that I think she was still ****ed at me for threatening to throw her cell phone out the window. Driving on my code on ice made me very nervous. Almost as nervous as when she jumped behind the while i was trying to GOAL while backing into a spot at love's and hit the trailer behind us. That exchange is unmentionable.

For all that woman put me through (it goes on and on), I was able to do Donner and Grapevine after a week into training. Not only proper braking technique, but that's where I learned that CONTROL means speed, weight, geography, weather conditions, paying attention and making good driving decisions.

Several folks in Carrizo Springs Tx have me to thank for saving their lives. Yes, I will take that atta girl.

2 lane highway. Late on Friday night. 70 mph. I'm governed at 62. They start stacking up behind me. Then I count the headlights behind me and the 4th set decides he is going to pass everybody. Climbing a hill. I knew he couldn't make it in time before we crested. I started slowing down n downshifted to 8.

Anybody want to play this one through?

Got to the top. Semi headlights pop up. He swung in so close it set the snitch off n the semi coming in the other lane swished by hauling ass (must've been an o/o LOL).

Trainer said well, I guess he needs to change his underwear. Almost mine too. You did that perfect!!

For all the hell she put me through, I am equally as grateful that she taught me the true meaning of being a GOOD driver.

These are the stories no one hears about. All that's reported are the screw ups by screw ups!!!

Goodnight. Y'all be safe.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

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Pam, I'm not sure I followed the complete scenario. It is a critical issue if you refuse a drug test though. As a CDL holder you agree to random drug testing, and it will certainly happen after any type of accident. This will be a huge black eye on your resume. I would start immediately (by start I mean find an attorney who works in this industry) to see if you can clean this off your records. A refusal is reported as a failed drug test.

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Already talked to an attorney. Problem on this one is they didn't request test til 3.5 days after accident. Told me they wouldn't honor claim because not timely reported. Yet they insist on a test after 32 hour requirement. All because trainer didn't notify the company.

Telling DOT it wasn't post accident. Random. So they rely on timeliness to deny claim yet ignore 32 hour rule, then call it something else.

I would do hair follicle test but they already discharged me.

I couldn't figure out how to post to the public side earlier, but I did show up at the Lancaster terminal as agreed to do a physical and drug test. They told me to go to another clinic with written instruction for physical. Instructions were on that same paperwork for drug test and there was nothing checked.

I was afraid of the physical not the drug test. I was afraid that the clinic would have a semi in the parking lot they wanted me to pick up. Not the push down on my hands, your hearts beating you're hired kind of physical.

I didn't want to hurt myself again.

I did 3 points of contact. Once I slipped off I never let go of the top handle. If I hadn't hurt myself I would have probs been laughing my head off. I mustve looked like a rag doll swinging off the side of the truck.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

Pam, I'm not sure I followed the complete scenario. It is a critical issue if you refuse a drug test though. As a CDL holder you agree to random drug testing, and it will certainly happen after any type of accident. This will be a huge black eye on your resume. I would start immediately (by start I mean find an attorney who works in this industry) to see if you can clean this off your records. A refusal is reported as a failed drug test.

Already talked to an attorney. Problem on this one is they didn't request test til 3.5 days after accident. Told me they wouldn't honor claim because not timely reported. Yet they insist on a test after 32 hour requirement. All because trainer didn't notify the company.

Telling DOT it wasn't post accident. Random. So they rely on timeliness to deny claim yet ignore 32 hour rule, then call it something else.

I would do hair follicle test but they already discharged me.

Posted:  3 years, 6 months ago

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Post Accident Drug Testing

Slipped on the step getting off truck. Told trainer. She decided I wasn't hurt. This was at noon on Friday. Finally got off truck Saturday night. Called coordinator Sunday n left message. One person claims said a test wasn't required. Other said it was. Had to go to my own doctor in Houston. Claim wouldn't be honored because not timely reported. Ended up driving back to Lancaster to do drug test and physical. They gave me a piece of paper to do a physical at another clinic. This really spooked me so I went home n let them know I thought I needed advice. I got a discharge for a DOT Refusal of drug test.

FMCSA 382.303(h)(1) is exception to post accident resting rule when "departing or alighting" parked motor vehicle."

Anyone run across this before?

Wish the admin at Swift could make up their minds. Looks like all the work, time and money was for nothing.

Can I dispute this?

Thanks for your help!!!

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