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Posted:  6 days, 22 hours ago

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Imagine driving this beast

Found a video someone did of it. https://youtu.be/I1e7AoA8UK4 the sleeper extends even. I'd be even more scared of getting hit while sleeping

Thanks. Try this one:

https://youtu.be/nViTBSgfn6U

Posted:  6 days, 22 hours ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

If one man (or woman) calls you an ass... ignore him (or her).

If call you an ass... you better stop and think about it.

If three call you an ass... it's time to get a saddle!

Giddyup!

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Posted:  1 week ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

Sorry!

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Posted:  1 week ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

So, no. I have never been to another company. And yes, anyone can be sent home from orientation, even Marc Lee.

Sorry Rainy, I got it wrong!

Another author/driver.

Her book was a great read!

Posted:  1 week ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

We're 11 pages deep and still debating?

Rick

Had the very same thought myself!

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Posted:  1 week ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

Marc I read your latest reply. Although very commendable, most of it is irrelevant, a clear deflection. No idea what is motivating this, but the “example being made” here, is the one you set.

I called you out on one basic premise, to paraphrase:

You concluded that Paid CDL Training Programs DO NOT go the extra mile to help slower students and that Epic Fails are common.

In short; that’s utter bulls**t.

The parity that exists in Company Sponsored Training is consistent; it’s goal is to train and groom new drivers, preparing them for employment. They quickly recognize “wheat from chaff” and act decisively. For the most part private schools; TAKE YOUR $$$$.$$...!!!

You have yet to address or recognize the points I made and Rainy made to factually counter your claim. Yes you witnessed your school helping a failing student. No denying or downplaying that. However you never experienced company sponsored school/training, yet advised a value judgement elevating private schooling as a better choice because of one event. That’s not how this forum operates. And something I and the other Mods. will not tolerate.

Please give us your experience Marc, advise accordingly, tempering your opinions aligning them with actual and relevant experience. Nothing more. Easy.

G-Town,

I do not believe I ever expressed an opinion on company-sponsored training. I merely told a truthful story based upon my personal experience with how the school I attended worked to help a struggling student. That is all I believe I did.

I also seem to recall Rainy (I hope I have this right) being sent home from two programs before she landed and excelled where she is now. That was and is a fear of mine.

FYI... We had three students drop out of my class. One early on when still on simulators. The other two when we were driving. Students and instructors tried to help them before, during and after. One came back and left again. Again, the truth, the whole truth...

And to be clear, I do not know if the student I spoke of was charged more or not, and if so how much. I was told the re-test fee is $50 after the initial $150. (When I was told of the almost-last minute change in my test truck, I offered to pre-pay the retest fee!).

Not trying to continue pulling us down the "rabbit hole". I accept responsibility for what I have said but will not for what I have not said.

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

Let's do some math. I like math because it's useful. Some say numbers don't lie.

This isn't even aimed at Marc, it's just something I'm hoping others following along here will take note of when considering the merits of this conversation.

I'm not even sure how many weeks Marc has been out of his trainer's truck, but he keeps stressing over a recent post where somebody failed their training and now owes 7,000 dollars. That's a fair concern.

But... in today's market a good rookie driver, with a will to learn how all this works, can usually make 1,000 dollars a week.

Let's say Marc hasn't been working now for 10 weeks. I'm throwing that number out there - I didn't look it up. This situation he's in has cost him 10,000 dollars in lost income. Granted, that's not debt, but it's his first cousin, and should be taken into consideration. I think the math may help some of you see the point with a little more clarity.

NOT DISPUTING THE GENERAL CONCEPT BUT YOU ARE USING ME AS AN EXAMPLE, SO...

Marc works as a handyman when he can't do other work. Formerly it was IT Project Management, most recently it was Trucking Training.

As soon as it became apparent that Marc was going to be out of a truck for a while, Marc spent $5 and placed another ad on Craigslist. Marc makes more money working as a handyman than he did training for JB Hunt. Now as Hunt was $15/hr. plus overtime and Schneider is $80/day, THAT will be a downgrade. But the "inexperienced driver sign-on bonus" should offset some of that. (FULL DISCLOSURE NOTE: Yes, probably paid over time and will be reviewed before I can start but Recruiter said it is only Experienced driver bonus being reviewed and normally they only go up not down)...

CPM also lower so messing up @ Hunt also has other costs. Lucky to be getting another chance, hoping to "redeem" myself, and it was 3 weeks (not 2 days as someone stated) on my Trainer's truck.

On the other hand... preparing for Prostate surgery, being unable to lift over 10 pounds for 6 weeks... now THAT has had some significant costs.

Perhaps a "generic" computation will make the intended point.

Yes, going to Company-sponsored school, getting on the road quickly and getting closer to the magic "one year" sooner may have been the better call. Just wasn't something I was willing or able to go (given my personal circumstances and obligations at the time)...

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Grumpy Old Man

5PM Update:

"KENNEDY A PARKING LOT! PROBABLY AN ACCIDENT"...

CB ON!

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(I do #'s not names but I believe 94 is the Edens and Kennedy is 294 or 290).

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Grumpy Old Man

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Key is timing IM (APPARENTLY NOT SO) HO

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???? Please don't tell me you're going to turn into a drama queen like others we've had alot of lately. The other thread that has you flustered isn't a personal attack, it's meant to help others see why the route you took is discouraged and why. Marc I got nothing against you but I've seen this a couple other times when somebody has stated they disagree with what you're saying.

Marc is correct about the timing. Hopefully you don't get stuck going through during rush hour. What is the toll on skyway and is it much faster? Only drove through Chicago once and that was in my P.O.V.

No drama!

But I did choose these 2 words carefully:

Rush Period.

It's approximately a 5-hour window in the evening... maybe a bit less in the AM. Traffic around Chicago starts to build around 2:30 - 3PM and pretty much sux untill 7ish (as I recall, bern a while)... When I had the Mustang GT convertible (manual transmission) I took the "other vehicle" into the city if it put me into the "windows". AM is something like 6ish to 10:30 - 11...

Weather, holidays, moon phases and planetary alignments also factors!

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Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

I noticed you said they worked with this driver a lot on the simulator. Why do you think he was on a simulator instead of in a real truck? Because it's a hell of a lot cheaper and they weren't going to spend any more money on him.

Not what I said at all.

I said he didn't even have simulator-level skills, much less ability to shift in real-world driving situations.

And yes, I had to fight to get my training paid for and again I was already in school before I discovered TT.com..

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Grumpy Old Man

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Glad we gave you things to think about, Grumpy!

You are about 150 mi. away now. I get about 55 mi. closer when in MKE. I should probably do that drive later today. Need to finish (or at least make a dent in) current home project

Hope you enjoy your lunch!

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If I get stuck here I’ll rent a car and drive down. But they may give me a loaner truck and have me drive locally. Frankly I would prefer to take the time off. I don’t like driving truck in WI.

If they get my truck finished tomorrow they will probably give me a load back home.

Maybe you or someone else can help me with this though.

For going through Chicago, is traffic lighter on 294, or should I just take 94 right through? I’m assuming 294 but I could be wrong.

Grumpy, I am sure the Pros here can offer better advise but since you asked, I would normally try to avoid 94 into the Loop if at all possible. Only exception might be if the Skyway save time / money / aggregation. I think you get there off 94. Key is timing IM (APPARENTLY NOT SO) HO. Avoiding the approximately 4 hour rush "periods" will make either route significantly better.

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Grumpy Old Man

Glad we gave you things to think about, Grumpy!

You are about 150 mi. away now. I get about 55 mi. closer when in MKE. I should probably do that drive later today. Need to finish (or at least make a dent in) current home project

Hope you enjoy your lunch!

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

Brett:

(And everyone else here who donates their time, knowledge, etc.), I am truly grateful and I again am not disputing the wisdom of your guidance.

But in the interest of Trucking Truth...

#1. I was already enrolled and attending a technical college school before I found TT.com.

I had investigated company sponsored training and had learned about the possibility of owing a significant sum of money if the contract was not fulfilled. I did not research it enough to learn that owing $7K which would be quickly turned over to a collection company and NOT getting my CDL was also a risk. I do not think that is mentioned here frequently, if at all, unless I missed it...

Despite all of my mistakes, I do still have a Class-A CDL with HazMat, Tanker and Doubles and Triples endorsements. My only restriction is eyeglasses. I have ZERO DEBT as a result of my training - in fact, I was paid to commute to and from school and reimbursed for all of my out-of-pocket expenses. AS I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES HERE... I am not looking for an argument or a debate. I did what I felt was best for me at the time.

As for contracts... I read them and encourage others to do the same! When I was hired out of college to sell insurance products the first thing I did (much to the surprise of my employers, BTW) was ask to see a policy or sample policy. When they asked why I informed them that if this is what I was selling, I needed to read it so I understood exactly what I was selling.

Tractor Man: I am not suggesting it is OK to change your mind and the contract should just go away.

I was merely pointing out that a "fellow" student (actually from another, earlier class) who got to the end of class and was unable to back or shift well enough to pass the tests was not sent home without a license owing $7k. They continued to work with him until he was able to pass. Time will tell whether or not that was a good thing.

Starting this endeavor at age 62 (now 63), getting sent home on a bus due to inability to pass an agility test (or for some other reason) was a concern.

While it appears we will never agree completely on much of this... I think we CAN AGREE that owing $7k and NOT having a CDL would be far worse than my current situation!

Going to call my Schneider recruiter now to see about possible start date...

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Grumpy Old Man

Grumpy,

Looks like you were close at last GPS update here. What are your plans?

I am in Kenosha now, probably heading to Milwaukee this afternoon.

Are you just blowing through? Do you have time to stop? (Assuming my last post and responses haven't rendered meeting moot!)

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My cell is 4one4, 87zero, 343seven should you wish to talk or text about plans.

Coffee is on me if you have the time...

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Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Spaceman Spiff

Two flatbedders and a dock bumper walk into a bar...

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Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Birthday Today

Happy Belated Bird Day Dude!

(I had to load to move on mine!)

Hope you made the best of it!

Posted:  1 week, 1 day ago

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Does Roehl Charge Tuition If You Fail Your CDL Exam?

Yeah I guess. But 7k is a bit too steep. My community college charges 3.5k for a 10 week class. That might be the better route.

One guy needed special dispensation to take the WI exam for a 6th and final time. He couldn't get backing even to "test level". My instructor worked with him for a bit, "truck mate" and I gave up time, encouragement, help and support.

He was able to pass backing but couldn't shift at even simulator level. Dunno how he got that far. They were going to put him in the one automated manual the school bought for such purposes. Again, truck mate and I gave up time, etc. (because we had just the two of us... most trucks had 3)....

Suffice it to say... no one gave up and this person was able to get an unrestricted (transmission, anyway) CDL.

NOT DISPUTING THE VALUE OF COMPANY SPONSORED TRAINING B U T EPIC FAILS ARE APPARENTLY A HUGE DOWNSIDE.

$7K DEBT OUT TO COLLECTION, NO CDL?

Tough spot to say the least!

Posted:  1 week, 2 days ago

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Schneider CDL Apprenticeship Program

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Yeah, don’t give up already, before you even get started. The first month of your very first year will definitely be the most difficult and stressful. If you truly want to make this work you must put in your time, get the needed experience, and log miles.good-luck.gif

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Thanks guys for the advice. I have used the resources available on this site and they’ve been very helpful. Schneider is working with me and moving me to a retail store account where I’ll just drop and hook and get to be home nightly and it pays more!

Careful what you wish for! Target/JBH was "double drop and hook" or what I call QUADRUPLE!

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Great practice however!

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Posted:  1 week, 3 days ago

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CMV "Preventables" and DAC vs. Personal Conveyance and DMV Record Questions...

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Rainy mentioned before that her personal car Insurance wasn't any different after the preventable she had, so not sure if that's was due to what happened or in general.

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Yes, i flat.out asked Prime Safety about this. They said they do not report to the DMV, so unless an officer did, it doesnt effect you. She also stated that since most rookies have truck stop accidents on private property, it wont affect them. Backing and swinging wide are typical rookie mistakes.

Now as Rick said, get a speeding ticket in a CMV and well... different story.

Thanks Rainy!

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Posted:  1 week, 3 days ago

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CMV "Preventables" and DAC vs. Personal Conveyance and DMV Record Questions...

Accidents in a CMV go against the companies insurance. YOUR insurance company likely doesn't care, unless THEY have to pay a claim.

If you are CITED, you may find your insurance rates going up due to the citation.

As with ALL CITATIONS - GET A LAWYER AND FIGHT IT.

Rick

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