Permit Before CDL School ?

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PR aka Road Hog's Comment
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So, I don't think I will have time to receive my lamented Permit through the mail before heading off to company sponsored school, and quite honestly, after taking some of Brett's practice tests, I'm a little concerned about the HazMat portion, there were a few questions on there I wasn't expecting or ready for. Georgia does issue a paper permit, and than mails a laminated copy through the mail.

My question is, will my paper permit be good in Missouri, at the Prime school? or should I just wait and go through class with everyone else? I feel well armed and the class would (should) be a breeze, but the whole paper/ laminated thing has me wondering. I plan on taking all the written exams for all the endorsements, but I don't want to have to pay for it all twice.

Thoughts?

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

PR aka Road Hog's Comment
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As a follow up, what are the advantages to going in with my CDL permit, other than having it? Having studied for it these past weeks, it will still be all 2nd nature to me, so class should be a breeze. Will I get on the driving range any quicker? Is there a possibility cdl class will be so large, I may not get to take, or finish my CDL writ tens on the 1st day?

I have read enough to know that it is suggested I go to school with my permit in hand, but I'm not sure of the real time advantages.

Thanks

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Fuddruckers's Comment
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The first day is re submitting a paper application, drug test, physical, and finger printing, people with permits have so much less to do than those3 without, you may be ready to re take it, but I wouldn't chance it, also Florida (where im from)only issues paper cdl permits now, which are perfectly fine(their going to photocopy it anyway to verify its validity). after, they will bombard you with information, not even really pertaining trucking and you will have 100% less stress to have it ready and in hand than those without, you will be on the simulators day 1 if you have your permit, and your evenings will be yours if you get all of your busy work done first,as the week your there is them checking out your refrances, drug test and work history ect to get "approved" by Thursday or Friday morning.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Britton R.'s Comment
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I'm from Missouri and heading to Prime. I got my permit tests done as well as all endorsements. I don't have an 'official' ermit because I still need the physical which prime will do day 1. My recruiter said that's all I need. Because I took the hazmat test they gave me an extra copy of my test scores or permit paperwork (whatever you want to call it) to give to them. At prime you will alreadybe doing the finger printing and all of that for a passport and twic card so I think the hazmat stuff will be taken care of in that mix. At least its my assumption.

I talked to a few prime folks and they all advised me to get the permit stuff done prior to starting. Doing this will let you get extra time practicing other things like the simulator. You won't have to go do the testing. Also the stress will be a lot less when you dony have to worry about those tests.

My advice is to do it if you can. If not, at least keep going through the training here. I don't think they will spenduch time teaching you when you get down there. I think you're kind of on your own to learn it on top of everything else that they throw at you.

As far as paying for it, I didn't have to pay for anything. I walked in told them whar I was there for, they set up the tests, I passed them, they made me look into a thing and did a quick vision test, then they printed out some papers, put a seal on them and sent me on my way. When I get to prime they will charge $50 for the permit.

That's all the info I know now. I start next week so I can try to have more specific answers as I go.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
PR aka Road Hog's Comment
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Hey Britton, seems we will be in class together, or perhaps a week apart. I start September 3rd. I'm a little confused by your post, maybe you can clear it up for me ....

You say you have your permit in hand, but Prime is going to charge you $50 for the permit?

You went to the DMV , but didn't have to pay for the written exams? How did you get the permit without having to pay anything?

Is the $50 for the DOT physical?

Maybe that has something to do with you being on Missouri? I'm in Georgia, and I'm sure they are going to charge me... $50 for the CDL , + $20 for each endorsement.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Britton R.'s Comment
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Its not the actual permit, just the test scores. Once I get to prime and pass the physical I'll get the actual permit. That's where the $50 to prime comes in. Prime does their own physical so I'm not bothering to get that on my own. The dmv portion is done. So I elwont have to deal with the tests. Just the physical, which they do no matter what, is left. I guess the fees aren't charged until the physical is done and the print the actual card or paper.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

RedGator's Comment
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The advantage to having your permit BEFORE is your one step shead of the game. Company training is quick and they cram a lot into a short period of time. You will be more prepared. You may have to retake the permit, maybe not that all depends on the company. I went to private school and they did not but if your company sponsored training is in a different state than you reside you more than likely will. Now your endorsements are NOT necessary. While nice to have don't overwhelme yourself with them if not necessary right now.

Company Sponsored Training:

A Company-Sponsored Training Program is a school that is owned and operated by a trucking company.

The schooling often requires little or no money up front. Instead of paying up-front tuition you will sign an agreement to work for the company for a specified amount of time after graduation, usually around a year, at a slightly lower rate of pay in order to pay for the training.

If you choose to quit working for the company before your year is up, they will normally require you to pay back a prorated amount of money for the schooling. The amount you pay back will be comparable to what you would have paid if you went to an independently owned school.

Company-sponsored training can be an excellent way to get your career underway if you can't afford the tuition up front for private schooling.

PR aka Road Hog's Comment
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Thanks Red, Yea, like you say, and from everything I've read on here, I WANT to go with my permit in hand. What I'm trying to avoid, is shelling out $100-$150 here in Ga for my CDL and endorsements, then get to Missouri and they say, too bad so sad, that's no good here, then I have to shell out another $100-$150.

I'm encouraged that you thought the HM was the easiest .... some of Bretts practice test questions through me for a loop.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Philip F.'s Comment
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PR, Britton's 100% right. I'll also be there Sept. 3, and I just got my permit (with all the endorsements) so I could spend more time training and not have to spend the week studying for permit tests!

Britton R.'s Comment
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Feel free to contact me before you guys get down there. I'm starting tuesday si hopefully I'll be gone by the time you get there but I can give you info about that first week. I'm going to try and update on here but I'm only taking my phone and no laptop. Typing a lot with this phone is a pain. I'm going to try and do video updates for my youtube page so you can check those out if you have time. Its RideWithB. Good luck to you guys. Remember that week is a job interview. Don't get on the simulator playing like a video game.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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