Erase Day 1 Or Take 34 What Do You Prefer?

!!!WARNING!!!b> This material may be offensive, cause confusion, arguments and even a heart attack. Please consider yourself warned. You are not eligible to drive after having been on duty for 70 hours in an 8-day period. A driver may restart his hours from ZERO after 34 Hours off duty. Restarts must be no less than 168 apart Freight moves 24hours a day, 8days a week. I understand that in reality, the high majority, are not going to get the same run every day every week. We all know this. Some people prefer to start driving at midnight take 8 in the sleeper round 6am then drive 2-5 get some dinner take a shower and eventually get to where they are headed on time… Some people prefer take the same exact times every day. Except the day of pickup and drop off. Some people prefer to roll the clock and run 8to9 hours a day and forget the 34 hour reset until home time… Some people like to run it to 70 then take the 34… I’ve been thinking…I know it’s all in theory, I know if your DM says it needs to be dropped at 5 you drop it by 5. If it needs to be picked up at 3 you pick it up by 3 no complaining. I know this lol. I know this plays a part in what the day looks like on the log books, I know trucks break down. But in reality it doesn’t matter. Because we still have a preference. You go to McDonalds and you prefer Pepsi but you gotta settle for Coke. But you still prefer Pepsi no matter what the reality is. So what is your preference? Do you prefer to erase the day or to reset the week? 70hours/8days=8.75 hours per day on duty Day 1: 8.75 Hours At 8.75 Hours per day you may drive approximately Day 2: 8.75 Hours 6 to 7 of those hours. If your in a truck governed to Day 3: 8.75 Hours roughly 60 miles an hour your going to get 360 miles Day 4: 8.75 Hours per day. I know this is just an ideal theory. 360 a day Day 5: 8.75 Hours is 2520 per week. That’s not a bad goal at all. And in Day 6: 8.75 Hours all honesty I don’t think anyone can really complain Day 7: 8.75 Hours about this way of running if your always on time and Day 8: 8.75 Hours you keep your nose clean. Plus the truck is being Day 8: 8.75 Hours productive every day. That’s good. Day 8: 8.75 Hours Day 8: 8.75 Hours But I think I fancy the idea of the 34 hour break as long as the 1-5 twice rule stays away. Actually I don’t fancy the whole 34 break at all but if we have to have the rule… I think more miles come with taking it than not… Day 1: 12 Hours (start midnight) Day 2: 12 Hours Day 3: 12 Hours Day 4: 12 Hours Day 5: 12 Hours Day 6: 10 Hours off duty by noon hopefully start of reset Day 7: noon is 24 hours 10 p.m. You are reset Day 8: 12 168 hours from next reset Day 9: 12 144 hours from next reset Day 10: 12 120 hours from next reset Day 11: 12 96 hours from next reset Day 12: 12 72 hours from next reset Day 13: 10 you have reached your 70 (time doesn’t matter) and are 48 hours from your reset. Day 14: take it off Day 15: take it off Day 16: you can drive again because you have 168 hours between resets and you have taken your reset. Your golden. If we give the 8.75 hour guy 6 hours of driving then we give the 12 hour guy 10 hours of driving. Both equally drive 60 miles per hour. This guy drives 600 miles a day for 5 days giving 3000 in 5 days and then he drives for 8 hours on his last day being 480 miles. That’s 3480 miles for week one if day one is Sunday. That’s 3480 miles for week 2 you started again on Sunday. Week 3 would do it again… you may end up eventually giving 1 day to the next check… so eventually on average your running 3200 miles a week with a couple days off. (hopefully somewhere nice) instead of running every day for 2500 miles…. So what’s your preference? How would you prefer to run?

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!!!WARNING!!! This material may be offensive, cause confusion, arguments and even a heart attack. Please consider yourself warned. 

You are not eligible to drive after having been on duty for 70 hours in an 8-day period. A driver may restart his hours from ZERO after 34 Hours off duty. Restarts must be no less than 168 apart

Freight moves 24hours a day, 8days a week. I understand that in reality, the high majority, are not going to get the same run every day every week. We all know this.

Some people prefer to start driving at midnight take 8 in the sleeper round 6am then drive 2-5 get some dinner take a shower and eventually get to where they are headed on time…

Some people prefer take the same exact times every day. Except the day of pickup and drop off.

Some people prefer to roll the clock and run 8to9 hours a day and forget the 34 hour reset until home time…

Some people like to run it to 70 then take the 34…

I’ve been thinking…I know it’s all in theory, I know if your DM says it needs to be dropped at 5 you drop it by 5. If it needs to be picked up at 3 you pick it up by 3 no complaining. I know this lol. I know this plays a part in what the day looks like on the log books, I know trucks break down.

But in reality it doesn’t matter. Because we still have a preference. You go to McDonalds and you prefer Pepsi but you gotta settle for Coke. But you still prefer Pepsi no matter what the reality is.

So what is your preference? Do you prefer to erase the day or to reset the week?

70hours/8days=8.75 hours per day on duty

Day 1: 8.75 Hours At 8.75 Hours per day you may drive approximately Day 2: 8.75 Hours 6 to 7 of those hours. If your in a truck governed to Day 3: 8.75 Hours roughly 60 miles an hour your going to get 360 miles Day 4: 8.75 Hours per day. I know this is just an ideal theory. 360 a day Day 5: 8.75 Hours is 2520 per week. That’s not a bad goal at all. And in Day 6: 8.75 Hours all honesty I don’t think anyone can really complain Day 7: 8.75 Hours about this way of running if your always on time and Day 8: 8.75 Hours you keep your nose clean. Plus the truck is being Day 8: 8.75 Hours productive every day. That’s good. Day 8: 8.75 Hours Day 8: 8.75 Hours At 8.75 Hours per day you may drive approximately 6 to 7 of those hours. If your in a truck governed to roughly 60 miles an hour your going to get 360 miles per day. I know this is just an ideal theory. 360 a day is 2520 per week. That’s not a bad goal at all. And in all honesty I don’t think anyone can really complain about this way of running if your always on time and you keep your nose clean. Plus the truck is being productive every day. That’s good.

But I think I fancy the idea of the 34 hour break as long as the 1-5 twice rule stays away. Actually I don’t fancy the whole 34 break at all but if we have to have the rule… I think more miles come with taking it than not…

Day 1: 12 Hours (start midnight) Day 2: 12 Hours Day 3: 12 Hours Day 4: 12 Hours Day 5: 12 Hours Day 6: 10 Hours off duty by noon hopefully start of reset Day 7: noon is 24 hours 10 p.m. You are reset Day 8: 12 168 hours from next reset Day 9: 12 144 hours from next reset Day 10: 12 120 hours from next reset Day 11: 12 96 hours from next reset Day 12: 12 72 hours from next reset Day 13: 10 you have reached your 70 (time doesn’t matter) and are 48 hours from your reset. Day 14: take it off Day 15: take it off Day 16 you can drive again because you have 168 hours between resets and you have taken your reset. Your golden.

If we give the 8.75 hour guy 6 hours of driving then we give the 12 hour guy 10 hours of driving. Both equally drive 60 miles per hour. This guy drives 600 miles a day for 5 days giving 3000 in 5 days and then he drives for 8 hours on his last day being 480 miles. That’s 3480 miles for week one if day one is Sunday. That’s 3480 miles for week 2 you started again on Sunday. Week 3 would do it again… you may end up eventually giving 1 day to the next check… so eventually on average your running 3200 miles a week with a couple days off. (hopefully somewhere nice) instead of running every day for 2500 miles….

So what’s your preference? How would you prefer to run?

One more try then i give up

!!!WARNING!!! This material may be offensive, cause confusion, arguments and even a heart attack. Please consider yourself warned. 

You are not eligible to drive after having been on duty for 70 hours in an 8-day period. A driver may restart his hours from ZERO after 34 Hours off duty. Restarts must be no less than 168 apart

Freight moves 24hours a day, 8days a week. I understand that in reality, the high majority, are not going to get the same run every day every week. We all know this.

Some people prefer to start driving at midnight take 8 in the sleeper round 6am then drive 2-5 get some dinner take a shower and eventually get to where they are headed on time…

Some people prefer take the same exact times every day. Except the day of pickup and drop off.

Some people prefer to roll the clock and run 8to9 hours a day and forget the 34 hour reset until home time…

Some people like to run it to 70 then take the 34…

I’ve been thinking…I know it’s all in theory, I know if your DM says it needs to be dropped at 5 you drop it by 5. If it needs to be picked up at 3 you pick it up by 3 no complaining. I know this lol. I know this plays a part in what the day looks like on the log books, I know trucks break down.

But in reality it doesn’t matter. Because we still have a preference. You go to McDonalds and you prefer Pepsi but you gotta settle for Coke. But you still prefer Pepsi no matter what the reality is.

So what is your preference? Do you prefer to erase the day or to reset the week?

70hours/8days=8.75 hours per day on duty

Day 1: 8.75 Hours Day 2: 8.75 Hours Day 3: 8.75 Hours Day 4: 8.75 Hours Day 5: 8.75 Hours Day 6: 8.75 Hours Day 7: 8.75 Hours Day 8: 8.75 Hours Day 8: 8.75 Hours Day 8: 8.75 Hours Day 8: 8.75 Hours At 8.75 Hours per day you may drive approximately 6 to 7 of those hours. If your in a truck governed to roughly 60 miles an hour your going to get 360 miles per day. I know this is just an ideal theory. 360 a day is 2520 per week. That’s not a bad goal at all. And in all honesty I don’t think anyone can really complain about this way of running if your always on time and you keep your nose clean. Plus the truck is being productive every day. That’s good.

But I think I fancy the idea of the 34 hour break as long as the 1-5 twice rule stays away. Actually I don’t fancy the whole 34 break at all but if we have to have the rule… I think more miles come with taking it than not…

Day 1: 12 Hours (start midnight) Day 2: 12 Hours Day 3: 12 Hours Day 4: 12 Hours Day 5: 12 Hours Day 6: 10 Hours off duty by noon hopefully start of reset Day 7: noon is 24 hours 10 p.m. You are reset Day 8: 12 168 hours from next reset Day 9: 12 144 hours from next reset Day 10: 12 120 hours from next reset Day 11: 12 96 hours from next reset Day 12: 12 72 hours from next reset Day 13: 10 you have reached your 70 (time doesn’t matter) and are 48 hours from your reset. Day 14: take it off Day 15: take it off Day 16 you can drive again because you have 168 hours between resets and you have taken your reset. Your golden.

If we give the 8.75 hour guy 6 hours of driving then we give the 12 hour guy 10 hours of driving. Both equally drive 60 miles per hour. This guy drives 600 miles a day for 5 days giving 3000 in 5 days and then he drives for 8 hours on his last day being 480 miles. That’s 3480 miles for week one if day one is Sunday. That’s 3480 miles for week 2 you started again on Sunday. Week 3 would do it again… you may end up eventually giving 1 day to the next check… so eventually on average your running 3200 miles a week with a couple days off. (hopefully somewhere nice) instead of running every day for 2500 miles….

So what’s your preference? How would you prefer to run?

I understand what you are saying but your not going to get that 11hours a day everyday. also say you started at 1 am and drove your 8.75 plus your 30 min off duty break that puts you at 945 am take your 10hour break and start rolling again 745pm on the same day. so you are driving more than 11 in a day your driving 13.50 hours. you get to your 90 the next day maybe at 3 am that is only 3 hours of driving on day 2 so far back into the door on duty for a few then sleeper. if you can stay there after unloaded you stay and take your 10 hour break and then you have your 14 again.. which means your ready to go at 1pm if there is a load ready for you some days you will drive a lot others you will be sitting somewhere i.e. waiting on a load from your fm or at a shippers getting loaded or at the receivers getting unloaded. Your FM is most of the time pretty good at keeping you from ever taking a restart on the road. But no is perfect. I have gone 90 days without having to take a restart.

Not gonna read through all the post but the first thing that I noticed wrong was that the restarts need to be 168 hours apart. That has been rescinded for the time being and you can take a restart any time you want to.

Also you are saying running 3200 a week with a couple days off that is not going to happen. but what I was saying before at 1pm your ready say there is a load for you to pick up at 9 pm and its two hours away you get there on time on duty for a few then sleeper say they finish loading you at 1230 am then for day 2 you only drove 5 hours that day and if you leave your clock is already running so on your 14 you used 2.5 hours drive and your 3 hours of off duty so if you have the time you get to a truck stop say 3 hours away take a shower eat get fuel and go to bed. take your 10 hour break so you used 8.5 hours

Not gonna read through all the post but the first thing that I noticed wrong was that the restarts need to be 168 hours apart. That has been rescinded for the time being and you can take a restart any time you want to.

at that rate you get even more miles per week with a restart than. ;)

Also you are saying running 3200 a week with a couple days off that is not going to happen. but what I was saying before at 1pm your ready say there is a load for you to pick up at 9 pm and its two hours away you get there on time on duty for a few then sleeper say they finish loading you at 1230 am then for day 2 you only drove 5 hours that day and if you leave your clock is already running so on your 14 you used 2.5 hours drive and your 3 hours of off duty so if you have the time you get to a truck stop say 3 hours away take a shower eat get fuel and go to bed. take your 10 hour break so you used 8.5 hours

thats why I said you may prefer pepsi but you have to take the coke.

the reality we know about. trucks break down the snow falls and short hauls heck you may even get popped for something and get shut down for 24 hours... but what do you prefer?

Also you are saying running 3200 a week with a couple days off

how do you get 3200 miles in a week at 62 miles an hour running 360 miles a day?

3200/360 takes 8 days thats one day late and you cant erase day one until tomorrow.

if you maxed 11 hours a day and pretripped in a half hour (legally you need to pre trip right?)

so you max your 11 driving a day and have 12 on duty...

at 62 miles an hour?? 11X62=682 per day 70/12=5.83 days so lets just say 5 days at 12 and 1 day at 9 on duty

so 5 days at 682=3410 day 6 you get a couple more and reset. from the rest of 6 and all of 7

thats a couple days off...

i understand the difference between reality and ideal.

in an ideal setting you get more miles with a reset than you do erasing day one on day 9 no? and since you dont need the 168 hours between you can get your reset quicker on week 2 than the first example and still have more miles better for you and the one that sends you lol...

i know running from Los Angeles to Boston isnt what everyone does. but if you were running from LA to Boston would you get there as quick as possible and kick it for a day enjoying your reset or would you rather take the 8.75 on duty per day and get there a couple days later?

i say take the reset. if a DM can manage to offset his guys and run em that way he makes more money and his guys do.

11 is always a larger number than 6 even if you minus 34 from 168

66 hours a week the truck is working for the guy that resets vs 61 hours a week the truck works for the guy that erases

dependng on how many drivers you have... even just 2 guys

132 x 52 is 6864

122x 52 is 6344

500 more hours of production in actual driving...

at 62 miles an hour thats 31000 more miles a year for the DM with two guys that have an offset reset... now what if you had ten guys? youd have 155 thousand more miles than the guy that didnt offset reset his drivers in nice places like boston ;)

i know its all theory. but theories can work if everyones on the same page no? starting with the warehouse communication is key. like the other thread old school said he calls 3 days in advance for his PTA and everyday from then to make sure his DM will have a profitable load for the both of them. 3 days in advance... thats pretty much your communicating with your DM every single day your in that truck... you can hate me now. but i really do think the reset gets more miles. (in theory)

I dont know if you read my first post but If your just driving west to east you can drive 11 hours after every 10 hours off. If your running teams you can run a lot more without a restart. I know when I went with my trainer years ago there were weeks we ran 7200 miles. It also depends on your receiver if they won't take your load early and you get there early and sit in a truck stop down the street and you already used up all your hours and the load isnt due until lets say the next day. your screwed how are you going to get it there with no hours and have to take your restart. I love your theory it makes me laugh. Because I have never seen FM plainers shippers and receivers on the same page when it comes to doing what your saying you want to do. You have a pick up time and a drop of time and they rarely change there times You are thinking theory I am showing you reality And why Boston i live here its not that great plus there is no truck stop. and the shipping receiving places are to small of parking lot so you cant stay there you get unloaded or loaded and you have to leave There is no parking. so make sure you make it on time if your to late they may refuse you and tell you to have your company make a new appointment or if your to early they may tell you to leave and come back 30 mins before your appointment .