Celadon/ Quality Drivers Academy Any Current Info?

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Dragon Slayer's Comment
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Hey Guys & Gals! Anybody have any fresh info on this school? I'm leaving out Saturday Feb. 27th to start on the 29th. Most everything I've read here is 1yr. + old. would really like some updated info to get myself prepped and ready. I already have my CDL permit and DOT medical card from when I went to swift in Memphis. Any current info would be much appreciated. Thanks, and hope to see you out there on the blacktop!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Old School's Comment
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Dragon Slayer, what in the world happened at Swift? I'd love to give you some helpful advice, but it's hanging in the balance on why a guy with a great conquering name like Dragon Slayer didn't finish what he set out to start in the first place. Fill us in with a few details, please.

Dragon Slayer's Comment
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Had some personal situations at home that couldn't be left un-attended. Was told I would have to start over when I came back, and I wasn't impressed with the training I got in the first place. Hence, my decision to start fresh somewhere else.

Old School's Comment
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Thanks Dragon Slayer.

Didn't mean to put you on the spot, but it does help me to know how to help you.

Had some personal situations at home that couldn't be left un-attended.

That's understandable to any truck driver. Being able to leave things at home up to someone else at almost all times is a very hard adjustment for all drivers.

Was told I would have to start over when I came back, and I wasn't impressed with the training I got in the first place.

That part of your answer concerns me a little. We've had a good many drivers in here who came through Swift's program and then go on to be very successful in their careers. You are very new to our web site and you are also brand new to trucking, so let me give you some generic advice first. Our whole focus here is to help total newbies break into trucking and hopefully lead them in a way that will assure their success. One of the things that we see repeatedly here is that folks who go to private truck driving schools or Company-Sponsored Training Programs are very quick to point out to us that the training they received was not sufficient, and they are exactly right it is not sufficient to make you into a professional truck driver. If you want to know the truth about it most of us were total doofuses when it comes to handling that gentle giant we all know as a Big Rig when we first got our CDL. You will be the same way, the training you will receive will be just enough to get you to the point of being able to pass the driving test at the DMV , and brother that doesn't take all that much - it is an accomplishment, but millions of people have accomplished it. The real accomplishment in truck driving is the ability to hang in there until you begin to perform like a true professional.

I'm sure you have noticed all the whining and complaining on the internet about how this company or that company screws their drivers over, and you definitely should not work for them. Those are the losers at this game, they are the ones who quit at every little sign of difficulty or unexpected turn of events. Two of the biggest stumbling blocks people face when they are new at trucking are mis-information and false expectations. If you remember anything as you start this career please remember those two things foul up most new entrants into this rewarding career. If you can get past those two things you just might make it.

Getting started in this career is tough, it is a proverbial horse that throws most of the folks who try to ride it. You've already gotten thrown once, and now you are in here asking our advice. My advice is to go right back to Swift and make it happen over there. But, since I'm sure you have already set yourself in another direction then I will just say this: When you get to Celadon be prepared for plenty of delays. Be prepared for it to be overcrowded with students, some of them who have already been there for weeks and still have not progressed to the next step in the course.

If you want to succeed in trucking you have got to make yourself stand out. This whole career is performance based, even the schools are that way. I can promise you the students who excel at Celadon move on quicker than the ones who are just there looking for a free ride. There are actually people who attend these company sponsored schools just for the hotel room and a few free meals. I know you are not one of those, but I just want you to realize that you will have to rise above the crowd if you expect anybody to notice you and help you advance your career. The others will get left behind, and it will be this way all through your career - you will have to perform at the highest levels if you want to be a real success.

Wherever you get started you need to commit to staying with them for one year of safe driving. This is where your real training comes from. As a new truck driver, that first year will pretty much formulate what kind of success you are going to have in the future. It will probably be the toughest year of your life, and it may very well be the most rewarding year also.

Okay, you've had my speech, now go get em - Slay that Dragon who defiantly stands there barring your way to success!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Company-sponsored Training:

A Company-Sponsored Training Program is a school that is owned and operated by a trucking company.

The schooling often requires little or no money up front. Instead of paying up-front tuition you will sign an agreement to work for the company for a specified amount of time after graduation, usually around a year, at a slightly lower rate of pay in order to pay for the training.

If you choose to quit working for the company before your year is up, they will normally require you to pay back a prorated amount of money for the schooling. The amount you pay back will be comparable to what you would have paid if you went to an independently owned school.

Company-sponsored training can be an excellent way to get your career underway if you can't afford the tuition up front for private schooling.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Nathan N.'s Comment
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I'm with celadon, which school location will you be attending? I went through the refresher course but got the training from the same instructors as the students so if you have any questions just ask. I completely agree with everything old school just pointed out, there are "students" that have been here for 6 weeks or longer. You have to want this or you will never get it.

Dragon Slayer's Comment
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Old School, Nathan, Thanks for the replies. I'm really not a "newbie", in 1980 I drove an R model Mack for about 6 months. But that was many moons ago, before CDLs, E logs, and the log jamb of bureaucracy we've seen in the past decade. I'm 59 yrs. old and nobody has given me anything in my life. I've kicked an fought for everything I've ever done, been or had. I ran a successful construction co. for 20+ yrs. I got my GED at 35 and went to college when I was 40. I rode and flew a patch in my younger years, when I caught my one and only felony, I realized that wasn't how I wanted to spend the rest of my life. I know how to tolerate a lot of crap. But no man is going to steadily degrade me or put his hands on me EVER! I know the trucker life, and will get my CDL , and no person, school, instructor or circumstance is going to stop me. A thinking man can always find a way.

and all I really wanted to know was if I was going to have to gat an Indiana permit and license or how they worked that.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Nathan N.'s Comment
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You wont have to get an indy permit if you have one from your home state.

Dragon Slayer's Comment
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Thanks Nathan! How do they work the license test then? Do I go back to SC to take my tests or do they use 3rd party testers or what? I know it'll be crowded and that a lot of people think its a game, but my entire future is riding on this. Thanks again brother, any input is most assuredly appreciated!

Nathan N.'s Comment
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My brother got his cdl through indy so I'll explain what happened for him. He got his permit in Arkansas went through their school, then tested with 3rd party in indy, after that it went into the national database so when he went back home he just went to the DMV and they gave him his license. Hope this helps brother!

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Dragon Slayer's Comment
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Thanks Nathan, that's exactly what I needed to know. I've been seeing a lot of stuff about theft and things of that nature at the Indiana facility, but all that was over a year old. I want to bring my laptop and digital camera with me. What's your thoughts and observations on that? I've heard a lot of great stuff about the company, and only about 5% bad, which is a great ratio from what I see with other companies. I know there's always cry babies, whiners, snivelers and just plain old B!#!**&@S out there, and I don't put any stock in that till it passes about 40% or so and then I do deeper research. I guess my first post could've been seen as the beginning of a bi*^!#fest, but that's really not me. Sorry I gave you and old school the wrong impression. I get ticked off and upset, but I get over it quick and start looking at things from both sides which generally brings forth some level of understanding. When you can understand something you can almost always devise a plan or method to overcome, circumvent or eliminate the issue or problem. Anyway, that's what works for me. But I did have an instructor back hand slap me in the chest because I was having problems double clutching. I learned to float gears , never taught double clutching. So when the "stress times" I subconsciously resorted to what I knew. I didn't retaliate, but that was the beginning of the end for me at swift.

Float Gears:

An expression used to describe someone who is shifting gears without using the clutch at all. Drivers are taught to "Double Clutch" or press and release the clutch twice for each gear shift. If you're floating gears it means you're simply shifting without using the clutch at all.

Double Clutch:

To engage and then disengage the clutch twice for every gear change.

When double clutching you will push in the clutch, take the gearshift out of gear, release the clutch, press the clutch in again, shift the gearshift into the next gear, then release the clutch.

This is done on standard transmissions which do not have synchronizers in them, like those found in almost all Class A trucks.

Double Clutching:

To engage and then disengage the clutch twice for every gear change.

When double clutching you will push in the clutch, take the gearshift out of gear, release the clutch, press the clutch in again, shift the gearshift into the next gear, then release the clutch.

This is done on standard transmissions which do not have synchronizers in them, like those found in almost all Class A trucks.

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