Instructors Without CDLs

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Hayden A.'s Comment
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I found an instructor teaching the CDL program but he does not have a CDL license. Is it true that he should not even be in the truck with the students without a license?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Steven N. (aka Wilson)'s Comment
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I found an instructor teaching the CDL program but he does not have a CDL license. Is it true that he should not even be in the truck with the students without a license?

I'm not an expert, but what I have heard is that you cannot drive a truck in training unless you have a CDL permit. Then the only way you can legally drive with the permit is that a licensed CLD driver must be in the jump seat. So if I am all wet on this, an expert will correct it. I don't know if the license thing applies to classroom lessons. But someone that has driven for years and retired from the road would have the know-how in my book to teach a classroom even though his/her license has lapsed (if they can lapse).

Well there's my 2 cents. I'll let the experts put in their wisdom and expertise.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Tracey K.'s Comment
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He cannot instruct without a CDL license! Regulations require a license driver with a permitted driver. That is a very serious violation.

It could cost the permitted driver their permit as well.

Speak up and quick.wtf-2.gif

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Mike L.'s Comment
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He cannot instruct without a CDL license! Regulations require a license driver with a permitted driver. That is a very serious violation.

It could cost the permitted driver their permit as well.

Speak up and quick.wtf-2.gif

Exactly. Think of it this way. "The truck is moving and no one has a license." That makes sense to stay away from that kind of "training".

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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Indeed he should not be taking you guys out on the road. Obviously he's fine in the backing range and classroom and all that. But you need a CDL holder with you in the truck in order to drive with a permit.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Hayden A.'s Comment
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I talked to the instructor and he told me that even though he doesn't have a cdl , he used too and he still qualifies under Utah state laws criminal and traffic code 53-3-408 (3) which states the following: "The holder of a CDIP may drive a commercial motor vehicle on a highway only when accompanied by a person : "(a) (I) holds a a CDL valid for the type of commercial motor vehicle driven; or (II) is certified by the division to administer driver licensing examinations to CDL applicants; and "(b) occupies a seat beside the individual for the purpose of: (I) giving the driver instruction regarding the driving of the commercial motor vehicle; or (II) administering a driver licensing examination to a CDL applicant."

So he believes he's legit because he is certified by the division to administer driver licensing examinations to DCL applicants. I tried looking him up on the department of public safety website and only found the school.

I guess that means he is legit. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Commercial Motor Vehicle:

A commercial motor vehicle is any vehicle used in commerce to transport passengers or property with either:

  • A gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more
  • A gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more which includes a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds
  • Dm:

    Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

    The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

    OWI:

    Operating While Intoxicated

Dave D. (Armyman)'s Comment
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I talked to the instructor and he told me that even though he doesn't have a cdl , he used too and he still qualifies under Utah state laws criminal and traffic code 53-3-408 (3) which states the following: "The holder of a CDIP may drive a commercial motor vehicle on a highway only when accompanied by a person : "(a) (I) holds a a CDL valid for the type of commercial motor vehicle driven; or (II) is certified by the division to administer driver licensing examinations to CDL applicants; and "(b) occupies a seat beside the individual for the purpose of: (I) giving the driver instruction regarding the driving of the commercial motor vehicle; or (II) administering a driver licensing examination to a CDL applicant."

So he believes he's legit because he is certified by the division to administer driver licensing examinations to DCL applicants. I tried looking him up on the department of public safety website and only found the school.

I guess that means he is legit. Please let me know if I'm wrong.

In most states if he is certified to administer the test he should NOT be an "instructor" in the sense that he is with the students full time.

In Iowa, a person at the school that is certified to give the DOT Tests does that and that only. They do NOT build a relationship with the students like the instructors do.

Dave

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Commercial Motor Vehicle:

A commercial motor vehicle is any vehicle used in commerce to transport passengers or property with either:

  • A gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more
  • A gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more which includes a towed unit with a gross vehicle weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds
  • DOT:

    Department Of Transportation

    A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

    State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

    Dm:

    Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

    The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

    OWI:

    Operating While Intoxicated

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