Problems With Current HOS Rules.

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guyjax(Guy Hodges)'s Comment
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Now my only problem is the 70 hour rules. Who cares what I did 7 or 8 days ago? It in no way effects what I am doing today. Get rid of they 70 hour rule. After 14 hours it's times for rest so I have no problem with that. If you got rid of the 70 hour rule you could also throw out the restart rules as there would be no need to reset hours. That would solve alot.

See here lies the problem. Just in this forum alone we have a mixed bag of opinions of what we see the problem as but now add in the rest of the industry and public safety groups and you have millions of people that think they see right.

Joe S. (a.k.a. The Blue 's Comment
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Now my only problem is the 70 hour rules. Who cares what I did 7 or 8 days ago? It in no way effects what I am doing today. Get rid of they 70 hour rule. After 14 hours it's times for rest so I have no problem with that. If you got rid of the 70 hour rule you could also throw out the restart rules as there would be no need to reset hours. That would solve alot.

See here lies the problem. Just in this forum alone we have a mixed bag of opinions of what we see the problem as but now add in the rest of the industry and public safety groups and you have millions of people that think they see right.

Now that is an interesting point. Do away with the 70 hour rule. Hmm. That would mean that if you had a day where you didn't do anything but wait at a dock or stuck in traffic, it wouldn't come back to haunt you in 8 days.

I think I like that idea.

The down side would be a driver driving 11 hours a day 7 days a week. Day in and day out.

If you did away with the 70 hour rule, you would have to modify the 11 hour drive day. It would be very hard and very unsafe for a driver to drive 11 hours a day everyday, all week long. Month after month.

I don't remember where I read the article. But several years ago, a professor from MIT, I think, wrote an opinion on a study done on professional drivers. His conclusion, over 95% of the problems and issues drivers face today would end if ALL drivers were put on an hourly pay scale.

No more driving extra hours to make up for the traffic jam they just got stuck in. Or to make up for the 4 hours they were stuck at a shippers/receiver's dock.

Now I can really see that happening. NOT.

Keep it safe out here, the life you save is special to someone. Joe S.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

6 string rhythm's Comment
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I haven't studied hours of service or logging yet, but I'm looking forward to revisiting this post once I have some basic knowledge. The one isolated piece of info I've seemed to pick up so far is - use the sleeper berth when waiting at a shipper / receiver, right?

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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a professor from MIT, I think, wrote an opinion on a study done on professional drivers. His conclusion, over 95% of the problems and issues drivers face today would end if ALL drivers were put on an hourly pay scale.

Oh there's a million things you could do to prevent drivers from wanting to run so hard. But coming up with one that would actually work in a competitive business environment and wouldn't cripple the U.S. economy is an entirely different story. So, as usual - nice theory from the professor but it doesn't translate well to the real world.

There's a big difference between coming up with ideas that sound good in an educational environment versus coming up with ideas that actually work in a business environment.

guyjax(Guy Hodges)'s Comment
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The same problem will still exist if you put everyone on hourly pay.....there will be those that abuse it by doing less and getting the same money.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
guyjax(Guy Hodges)'s Comment
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Now my only problem is the 70 hour rules. Who cares what I did 7 or 8 days ago? It in no way effects what I am doing today. Get rid of they 70 hour rule. After 14 hours it's times for rest so I have no problem with that. If you got rid of the 70 hour rule you could also throw out the restart rules as there would be no need to reset hours. That would solve alot.

See here lies the problem. Just in this forum alone we have a mixed bag of opinions of what we see the problem as but now add in the rest of the industry and public safety groups and you have millions of people that think they see right.

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Now that is an interesting point. Do away with the 70 hour rule. Hmm. That would mean that if you had a day where you didn't do anything but wait at a dock or stuck in traffic, it wouldn't come back to haunt you in 8 days.

I think I like that idea.

The down side would be a driver driving 11 hours a day 7 days a week. Day in and day out.

If you did away with the 70 hour rule, you would have to modify the 11 hour drive day. It would be very hard and very unsafe for a driver to drive 11 hours a day everyday, all week long. Month after month.

I don't remember where I read the article. But several years ago, a professor from MIT, I think, wrote an opinion on a study done on professional drivers. His conclusion, over 95% of the problems and issues drivers face today would end if ALL drivers were put on an hourly pay scale.

No more driving extra hours to make up for the traffic jam they just got stuck in. Or to make up for the 4 hours they were stuck at a shippers/receiver's dock.

Now I can really see that happening. NOT.

Keep it safe out here, the life you save is special to someone. Joe S.

Who said you had to drive 11 hours everyday? Oh that's right you still have those few who would push beyond their limits just like you do now.

Shipper:

The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
nomad girl's Comment
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This is a great topic and it's something i've been wanting to get clarification on.

Dave D. (Armyman)'s Comment
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Who said you had to drive 11 hours everyday? Oh that's right you still have those few who would push beyond their limits just like you do now.

It would probably depend on the company, the planner, the dispatcher , etc. it isn't just the driver pushing himself, it sometimes is the company or nondrivers in the company. The drivers would still have to remember that they are the ones that are the ones whose license is at risk.

Dave

Dispatcher:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Scott B.'s Comment
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If the demand for drivers keeps increasing and be # of drivers is decreasing, how is it that driver wages stay the same for like what,? last 20 yrs or so? Kinda off topic but the answer is probably so much government regulation causing free market dislocation.

Fatsquatch 's Comment
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If the demand for drivers keeps increasing and be # of drivers is decreasing, how is it that driver wages stay the same for like what,? last 20 yrs or so? Kinda off topic but the answer is probably so much government regulation causing free market dislocation.

More like tight-fisted skinflint corporate masters figuring the first best place to improve profit is by stagnating wages. Just like the rest of the corporate world.

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