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guyjax(Guy Hodges)'s Comment
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May 24th 2011 fmcsa changed a few definitions to the type of portal tanks a flat bed could haul before requiring a Tanker endorsement.

Require definition for flatbedders and tanker endorsements

The reason I bring this up is because of what I saw today in a scale house. Got pulled in and had to bring permit book in and BOL. Just turned out that it was a random pull in for permit check. Like the Ports of Entry in New Mexico and Arizona.

Anyway while I was in there the poor driver , poor is what he will be once the DOT are through with him because he did not know, was pretty mad. Turns out that he was hauling some type of really nasty stuff in reinforced small liquid containers. The were about like the herbicide containers that flatbeds carry. Roughly 5ft x 5ft x 5 ft but the ones he was carrying were made of metal and each had 5 placards each on the side. They met the requirements for tanker endorsement cause each container was 1000 gallons and it they were all full.

Not sure what he was carrying but I know the officer said you did not have tanker endorsement and they would need to call for someone to come and transport the cargo and would have to transfer it off his truck onto another truck since he was an O/O.

After that I was heading back out the door so this next part I can only guess at.....

He would have to pay for a qualified driver to come there to transport the load. He would have to pay for another truck and trailer to haul the load. And then if that was not enough money spent then there are the tickets and fines he will receive for driving illegally with a tanker qualified load and no endorsement on his CDL. I am sure the DOT will come up with a few more things that I have not thought of yet. And let's not forget about the lost of revenue since he did not fulfill his contract I doubt the company that ownes the chemicals will pay him since he did not delivery their product.

I could easily see this driver loosing 9k to 10k before this week is up.

Be aware cause ya never know when the rules might quietly change.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Woody's Comment
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For this reason I was surprised they didn't request you to get tanker for your new account. Even though my company is dry van we must have tanker because we haul a lot of those.

Dry Van:

A trailer or truck that that requires no special attention, such as refrigeration, that hauls regular palletted, boxed, or floor-loaded freight. The most common type of trailer in trucking.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Woody's Comment
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Dang thats twice today I hit submit before I was done, guess I need to get some sleep lol.

The government is requiring more and more things to have tanker or hazmat endorsements, and it will continue. Just another reason new drivers should get all the endorsements from the start.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Chris L.'s Comment
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I agree get the endorsements. It's an easy process, especially when your in school. My school required all endorsements to graduate.

John P.'s Comment
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May 24th 2011 fmcsa changed a few definitions to the type of portal tanks a flat bed could haul before requiring a Tanker endorsement.

Require definition for flatbedders and tanker endorsements

The reason I bring this up is because of what I saw today in a scale house. Got pulled in and had to bring permit book in and BOL. Just turned out that it was a random pull in for permit check. Like the Ports of Entry in New Mexico and Arizona.

Anyway while I was in there the poor driver , poor is what he will be once the DOT are through with him because he did not know, was pretty mad. Turns out that he was hauling some type of really nasty stuff in reinforced small liquid containers. The were about like the herbicide containers that flatbeds carry. Roughly 5ft x 5ft x 5 ft but the ones he was carrying were made of metal and each had 5 placards each on the side. They met the requirements for tanker endorsement cause each container was 1000 gallons and it they were all full.

Danm

Not sure what he was carrying but I know the officer said you did not have tanker endorsement and they would need to call for someone to come and transport the cargo and would have to transfer it off his truck onto another truck since he was an O/O.

After that I was heading back out the door so this next part I can only guess at.....

He would have to pay for a qualified driver to come there to transport the load. He would have to pay for another truck and trailer to haul the load. And then if that was not enough money spent then there are the tickets and fines he will receive for driving illegally with a tanker qualified load and no endorsement on his CDL. I am sure the DOT will come up with a few more things that I have not thought of yet. And let's not forget about the lost of revenue since he did not fulfill his contract I doubt the company that ownes the chemicals will pay him since he did not delivery their product.

I could easily see this driver loosing 9k to 10k before this week is up.

Be aware cause ya never know when the rules might quietly change.

Damn, Glad I got all my endorsements ahead of time.....

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

PorkChop's Comment
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May 24th 2011 fmcsa changed a few definitions to the type of portal tanks a flat bed could haul before requiring a Tanker endorsement.

Hey GuyJax, is that typo? Did you mean to type, "May 24th, 2014"? I hope so, because a regulation that changed over three years ago, shouldn't have snuck up on anyone!

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Either way, great info, and goes to show how we ALL need to keep abreast of what's going on in the industry, especially where our gooberment is involved!

LittleJoe

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
guyjax(Guy Hodges)'s Comment
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May 24th 2011 fmcsa changed a few definitions to the type of portal tanks a flat bed could haul before requiring a Tanker endorsement.

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Hey GuyJax, is that typo? Did you mean to type, "May 24th, 2014"? I hope so, because a regulation that changed over three years ago, shouldn't have snuck up on anyone!

embarrassed.gif

Either way, great info, and goes to show how we ALL need to keep abreast of what's going on in the industry, especially where our gooberment is involved!

LittleJoe

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Nope. I meant 2011. This is the exact point. People SHOULD know by now but not everyone does.

Just like everyone knows we have a 3 day safety blitz every year that is announced month in advance with the exact days and you know what? Thousands of drivers are placed Out of Service during these times for mainly 2 violations. 1) Brakes out of adjustment and 2) logbooks.

These are 2 things that are critical to our jobs yet many still get busted every year because of it.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Mistelle's Comment
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May 24th 2011 fmcsa changed a few definitions to the type of portal tanks a flat bed could haul before requiring a Tanker endorsement.

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Hey GuyJax, is that typo? Did you mean to type, "May 24th, 2014"? I hope so, because a regulation that changed over three years ago, shouldn't have snuck up on anyone!

embarrassed.gif

Either way, great info, and goes to show how we ALL need to keep abreast of what's going on in the industry, especially where our gooberment is involved!

LittleJoe

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Nope. I meant 2011. This is the exact point. People SHOULD know by now but not everyone does.

Just like everyone knows we have a 3 day safety blitz every year that is announced month in advance with the exact days and you know what? Thousands of drivers are placed Out of Service during these times for mainly 2 violations. 1) Brakes out of adjustment and 2) logbooks.

These are 2 things that are critical to our jobs yet many still get busted every year because of it.

They were going at it hard. I was waved through two check stations because they were so full of out of service trucks that they didn't have anymore room to even inspect other trucks. Thankfully we were good and had everything in order before hand. CRST was paying for things they normally would have made you wait months for. Got that chip repaired in my windshield that I had been griping about for a month or so. I saw other CRST drivers getting seat belts replaced, qual comm wires replaced. New fire extinguishers. New permit books. Companies really take that three day blitz seriously.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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