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Ernie S. (AKA Old Salty D's Comment
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Excellent feedback! That explains a lot. Thanks! Just one more curiosity....JB Hunt seems to advertise a salary range with each position they put up. They explain that different types of hauls make different rates, the most outrageous being 50-90,000 annually for intermodal. What do you make of that? Maybe they would never hire a newbie for that?

I drive for JB Hunt. They only hire experienced drivers, so depending on what account you are applying for/assigned to will determine what your pay scale will be. I currently drive on the Georgia Pacific (GP) account. We are paid .37/mile with miles incentive pay that they just recently started.

If you have questions about JBHunt, let me know. I will do my best to answer your questions.

Ernie

Intermodal:

Transporting freight using two or more transportation modes. An example would be freight that is moved by truck from the shipper's dock to the rail yard, then placed on a train to the next rail yard, and finally returned to a truck for delivery to the receiving customer.

In trucking when you hear someone refer to an intermodal job they're normally talking about hauling shipping containers to and from the shipyards and railyards.

Justin N.'s Comment
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If you want to make a lot of money then linehaul is definitely the best way to start out.

It is a lot of work but that is why you get paid more. Just this week I made over $1,250 net and I am just barely over a year old since I got my cdl.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Linehaul:

Linehaul drivers will normally run loads from terminal to terminal for LTL (Less than Truckload) companies.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning them to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.
Dutch's Comment
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David, here is a quick rundown on my situation.

I went through C-1 last September.

I started with PAM making 23 cents per mile getting 1500 miles per week on a good week, and less on bad weeks when the tractor was in the shop.

I heard that Crete Carrier Corporation would hire me with only 6 months experience, and at the 8 month mark I left PAM.

I was started at 43 cents per mile at Crete.

Beginning the first of January, Crete is raising it's base pay to 45 cents per mile, and 52 cents per mile is their top pay for dry van. Reefer and flatbed drivers get paid more.

There is no sliding scale at Crete. The only way you make less per mile, is if you leave the national fleet and go to work running a dedicated route so you can get home time every night or every weekend.

I am now making more money than I ever did in the past as a Tig Welder.

Was it worth it making peanuts working for PAM for 8 months, and putting up with all that went along with it?

Absolutely! :^)

Dedicated Route:

A driver or carrier who transports cargo between regular, prescribed routes. Normally it means a driver will be dedicated to working for one particular customer like Walmart or Home Depot and they will only haul freight for that customer. You'll often hear drivers say something like, "I'm on the Walmart dedicated account."

Dry Van:

A trailer or truck that that requires no special attention, such as refrigeration, that hauls regular palletted, boxed, or floor-loaded freight. The most common type of trailer in trucking.

Reefer:

A refrigerated trailer.

6 string rhythm's Comment
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Well, I'll be the third linehaul driver to chip in. Even if the OP prefers OTR w/ truckload, I'll post for anybody else reading the post that might be lurking in the forum. I too am in my first year - about 6 months - and I'm netting (after all deductions for 401k and benefits for my family) around $1000 a week based on about 2500 miles at .58 cpm , plus all accessory pay for drop and hooks.

Linehaul jobs at LTL companies are some of the top paying jobs in the industry. If you live near a place that has LTL company terminals, you may have one of the best opportunities available right out of school, considering pay and hometime. But, you must live near one of these terminals. Lots of folks may not, and thus have to choose OTR, since those jobs are easier to get.

You asked for pay, and what to expect, so I'm posting my experience for you. You will can make 70k + as a linehaul rookie, depending on the company. Experienced linehaul drivers can top 100k.

The driver above mentioned Crete. I was looking at Crete / Shaffer, and Prime before my opportunity came along to be employed by my LTL company. Crete would be an excellent OTR choice to make some good money as a student driver, and even as an experienced driver. Also, Crete will hire student drivers right out of school - they don't require 6 months if you just graduated from a school they approve.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Linehaul:

Linehaul drivers will normally run loads from terminal to terminal for LTL (Less than Truckload) companies.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning them to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.

CPM:

Cents Per Mile

Drivers are often paid by the mile and it's given in cents per mile, or cpm.

Drop And Hook:

Drop and hook means the driver will drop one trailer and hook to another one.

In order to speed up the pickup and delivery process a driver may be instructed to drop their empty trailer and hook to one that is already loaded, or drop their loaded trailer and hook to one that is already empty. That way the driver will not have to wait for a trailer to be loaded or unloaded.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

David's Comment
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David, here is a quick rundown on my situation.

I went through C-1 last September.

I started with PAM making 23 cents per mile getting 1500 miles per week on a good week, and less on bad weeks when the tractor was in the shop.

I heard that Crete Carrier Corporation would hire me with only 6 months experience, and at the 8 month mark I left PAM.

I was started at 43 cents per mile at Crete.

Beginning the first of January, Crete is raising it's base pay to 45 cents per mile, and 52 cents per mile is their top pay for dry van. Reefer and flatbed drivers get paid more.

There is no sliding scale at Crete. The only way you make less per mile, is if you leave the national fleet and go to work running a dedicated route so you can get home time every night or every weekend.

I am now making more money than I ever did in the past as a Tig Welder.

Was it worth it making peanuts working for PAM for 8 months, and putting up with all that went along with it?

Absolutely! :^)

Pretty much what Im doing at GTI, they where the only place that would hire me with the issues from my last employer (couple accidents that damaged the truck) after I finish a good 6-12months of solid driving, I plan to head to another carrier doing either tanker or flatbed. Just paying my dues at the moment. I'd love making .40+ on a 2500mile week.

Dedicated Route:

A driver or carrier who transports cargo between regular, prescribed routes. Normally it means a driver will be dedicated to working for one particular customer like Walmart or Home Depot and they will only haul freight for that customer. You'll often hear drivers say something like, "I'm on the Walmart dedicated account."

Dry Van:

A trailer or truck that that requires no special attention, such as refrigeration, that hauls regular palletted, boxed, or floor-loaded freight. The most common type of trailer in trucking.

Reefer:

A refrigerated trailer.

David D.'s Comment
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Excellent feedback! That explains a lot. Thanks! Just one more curiosity....JB Hunt seems to advertise a salary range with each position they put up. They explain that different types of hauls make different rates, the most outrageous being 50-90,000 annually for intermodal. What do you make of that? Maybe they would never hire a newbie for that?

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I drive for JB Hunt. They only hire experienced drivers, so depending on what account you are applying for/assigned to will determine what your pay scale will be. I currently drive on the Georgia Pacific (GP) account. We are paid .37/mile with miles incentive pay that they just recently started.

If you have questions about JBHunt, let me know. I will do my best to answer your questions.

Ernie

Hi Ernie! Thanks for the input! I'm a little puzzled by the fact that JB Hunt only hires experienced drivers. Then why would they introduce themselves to a class of brand new CDL Candidates? I guess it could be just for the visibility and maybe to pick and choose from among the best candidates.

I'm gonna have to get the greediness out of me. I see these numbers being tossed around and for a guy who has made 25K delivering pizza, its pretty heady stuff.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Intermodal:

Transporting freight using two or more transportation modes. An example would be freight that is moved by truck from the shipper's dock to the rail yard, then placed on a train to the next rail yard, and finally returned to a truck for delivery to the receiving customer.

In trucking when you hear someone refer to an intermodal job they're normally talking about hauling shipping containers to and from the shipyards and railyards.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

David D.'s Comment
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I agree with all the numbers unless you go into Linehaul. You can make 50,000+ even starting out in Linehaul. In some cases considerably more.

Looking at the Linehaul website, it looks like they are specializing in a lot of coast-to-coast work. How hard do they run you? Home once a month? How many days? In a way, I feel like I would like to spend a lot of open-road time at first to really let me get comfortable behind the wheel with just a little backing and turning on each end. Have I got it figured right?

And one more FUN question. How long do you think it will be before the coast-to-coast runs are being done by robotrucks with live driver connections on each end?

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Linehaul:

Linehaul drivers will normally run loads from terminal to terminal for LTL (Less than Truckload) companies.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning them to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.
6 string rhythm's Comment
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David, I'm not sure what "linehaul website" you're referring to. Linehaul traditionally means having runs from one set point (usually a terminal) to another set point (usually another terminal). THere's no dealing with customers, and typically no variety unless you run a 'wild' schedule or are on the 'extraboard.' You're basically running company freight from point A to point B, every night (linehaul is also usually nightshift work).

A linehaul driver is employed by an LTL company, although some truckload companies have what they refer to as linehaul runs (TMC would be one example), which can be confusing. In the truckload world, having a dedicated account would be closest to having a linehaul run, although like I said, in linehaul you don't deal with customers, and you don't touch the freight. A linehaul driver in the LTL world moves freight for the company from one terminal to another, so that the docks can break down the freight to give to the P&D (pickup and delivery) drivers to deliver to the customer.

Now, my company has team drivers that are still considered linehaul drivers, but they do run coast to coast. As a norm, usually linehaul drivers are not running such long runs. Normally, linehaul drivers run anywhere from 300-600 miles per shift, and can work longer hours than OTR drivers.

What I described above can vary slightly from one LTL company to another. Also, note that I'm making a distinction between truckload and LTL companies. You can research these subjects on your own, but generally when referring to truckload companies that's when you're thinking about OTR jobs, much like this website forum is focused on. There's only a few of us LTL guys on here that are linehaul drivers.

Historically, you couldn't get a LTL job, whether as a linehaul driver or P&D driver, until you had a couple years of OTR experience. That's changing now. If you want more info on LTL trucking, linehaul, and P&D jobs, you can check out my thread on the subject:

LTL Trucking - My Linehaul Job

I chose linehaul because I get home every day and I earn top tier pay in the trucking industry. If you're focused on making the most amount of money you can in the trucking industry, and you live in an area where there are LTL company terminals, then I'd suggest looking into seeing if they're hiring linehaul drivers.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

P&D:

Pickup & Delivery

Local drivers that stay around their area, usually within 100 mile radius of a terminal, picking up and delivering loads.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers for instance will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.

Linehaul:

Linehaul drivers will normally run loads from terminal to terminal for LTL (Less than Truckload) companies.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning them to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
David D.'s Comment
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David, I'm not sure what "linehaul website" you're referring to. (TO CLARIFY - I'M TALKING ABOUT LTL TRUCKING. OTHERS HERE HAVE CALLED IT LINEHAUL) Linehaul traditionally means having runs from one set point (usually a terminal) to another set point (usually another terminal). THere's no dealing with customers, and typically no variety unless you run a 'wild' schedule or are on the 'extraboard.' You're basically running company freight from point A to point B, every night (linehaul is also usually nightshift work).

A linehaul driver is employed by an LTL company, although some truckload companies have what they refer to as linehaul runs (TMC would be one example), which can be confusing. In the truckload world, having a dedicated account would be closest to having a linehaul run, although like I said, in linehaul you don't deal with customers, and you don't touch the freight. A linehaul driver in the LTL world moves freight for the company from one terminal to another, so that the docks can break down the freight to give to the P&D (pickup and delivery) drivers to deliver to the customer.

Now, my company has team drivers that are still considered linehaul drivers, but they do run coast to coast. As a norm, usually linehaul drivers are not running such long runs. Normally, linehaul drivers run anywhere from 300-600 miles per shift, and can work longer hours than OTR drivers.

What I described above can vary slightly from one LTL company to another. Also, note that I'm making a distinction between truckload and LTL companies. You can research these subjects on your own, but generally when referring to truckload companies that's when you're thinking about OTR jobs, much like this website forum is focused on. There's only a few of us LTL guys on here that are linehaul drivers.

Historically, you couldn't get a LTL job, whether as a linehaul driver or P&D driver, until you had a couple years of OTR experience. That's changing now. If you want more info on LTL trucking, linehaul, and P&D jobs, you can check out my thread on the subject:

LTL Trucking - My Linehaul Job

I chose linehaul because I get home every day and I earn top tier pay in the trucking industry. If you're focused on making the most amount of money you can in the trucking industry, and you live in an area where there are LTL company terminals, then I'd suggest looking into seeing if they're hiring linehaul drivers.

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oK....I HAVE LEARNED SEVERAL THINGS HERE AND DEVELOPED a couple questions. First of all, I HATE the location of the CapsLock key on the keyboard (LOL)! Second, LTL is both a style of moving freight AND the name of a trucking company. And LTL trucking does exclusively linehaul freight hauling. Linehauling is a subcategory of OTR. Good, I got that. bUT WHY SOOO MUCH MORE money? Arguably the work is easier, right? Do you run longer with less time home? Well, in any case, I don't think I have any ltl terminals around me so the point is moot.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

LTL:

Less Than Truckload

Refers to carriers that make a lot of smaller pickups and deliveries for multiple customers as opposed to hauling one big load of freight for one customer. This type of hauling is normally done by companies with terminals scattered throughout the country where freight is sorted before being moved on to its destination.

LTL carriers include:

  • FedEx Freight
  • Con-way
  • YRC Freight
  • UPS
  • Old Dominion
  • Estes
  • Yellow-Roadway
  • ABF Freight
  • R+L Carrier

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

P&D:

Pickup & Delivery

Local drivers that stay around their area, usually within 100 mile radius of a terminal, picking up and delivering loads.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers for instance will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.

Linehaul:

Linehaul drivers will normally run loads from terminal to terminal for LTL (Less than Truckload) companies.

LTL (Less Than Truckload) carriers will have Linehaul drivers and P&D drivers. The P&D drivers will deliver loads locally from the terminal and pick up loads returning them to the terminal. Linehaul drivers will then run truckloads from terminal to terminal.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Martin M.'s Comment
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Is Primes pay information accurate. It clearly states that during company training after you get your CDL you will be guaranteed $700 a week and when you get on your own it says 38c per mile, 42c for their lightweight fleet. Why would you get paid more to run a lightweight truck? Do they lack that the larger tractors have besides space? Do they pull smaller trailers?

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
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