SWIFT In Cab Cameras

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Daniel's Comment
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The big thing with much of the "surveillance" of the outside world is that CANNOT record audio without express permission of the person being recorded.

"Express permission?" Not sure what state you're in, but uhh... In Texas? No. I really wish people would look up law instead of spouting out their personal thoughts.

CHAPTER 16. CRIMINAL INSTRUMENTS, INTERCEPTION OF WIRE OR ORAL COMMUNICATION, AND INSTALLATION OF TRACKING DEVICE

Pretty much sums it up.

Eckoh's Comment
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We have no right to privacy in a job in America?

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No. Nor do you have "free speech" at work. You should definitely look it up for once instead of citing hear-say. I mean, it's 2015. This is the internet. The bill of rights has been up and available for free for years.

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The big thing with much of the "surveillance" of the outside world is that CANNOT record audio without express permission of the person being recorded.

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You're arguing that you're against the camera, because you would be caught and terminated for violating company policy (not using two hands on a wheel). Okay. That's settled (black and white). You're also worried about someone terminating you for insulting them (speaking) to yourself in a cab? What?? It isn't hard to NOT be mean. I can't recall once in over 12 jobs of being terminated over something I said. In fact: I've NEVER been fired from a job yet!

I'm all for the cameras on deck. They seem to have upset a lot of wrong-doers on this forum, which scares me. I'm just wondering how many people would be removed from a line of work in a 7 day period for major safety violations.

you missed the point yet again.

You also seem to be up on a very high horse for someone who is not even a driver.

Daniel's Comment
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We have no right to privacy in a job in America?

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No. Nor do you have "free speech" at work. You should definitely look it up for once instead of citing hear-say. I mean, it's 2015. This is the internet. The bill of rights has been up and available for free for years.

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The big thing with much of the "surveillance" of the outside world is that CANNOT record audio without express permission of the person being recorded.

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You're arguing that you're against the camera, because you would be caught and terminated for violating company policy (not using two hands on a wheel). Okay. That's settled (black and white). You're also worried about someone terminating you for insulting them (speaking) to yourself in a cab? What?? It isn't hard to NOT be mean. I can't recall once in over 12 jobs of being terminated over something I said. In fact: I've NEVER been fired from a job yet!

I'm all for the cameras on deck. They seem to have upset a lot of wrong-doers on this forum, which scares me. I'm just wondering how many people would be removed from a line of work in a 7 day period for major safety violations.

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you missed the point yet again.

You also seem to be up on a very high horse for someone who is not even a driver.

You just highlighted the red herring fallacy. A favorite among internet trolling.

The Persian Conversion's Comment
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I think what people are missing is that when you are on duty or driving, you are on the company's time, not your own. I understand that everyone eats and has personal conversations on the phone and takes smoke breaks while they drive, but just because everyone does it does not make it right. Ask yourself, if you were in any other job, would you be allowed to take care of personal business during your shift? For example, if you were a cook in a restaurant, could you take a smoke break right there in front of the grill? Talk to your girlfriend on the phone while taking an order? Eat a meal while a customer waits for you to prepare their food? No, you would do your job while you were on the clock, and only your job. You would wait for your breaks to take care of all that other stuff. It's like that in any job, so why do we as truck drivers feel we have the right to do all of our personal business and do things that should be done on break times while we're on our shift behind the wheel? We all agreed to work up to 14 hours a day on the company's clock. The rest of the time is ours to handle all that other stuff. This all leads back to the point that we all feel entitled to do things which are in reality unsafe and unethical, but now that the companies are implementing a system which will call us out on it, we all cry foul. Say all you want about privacy, but there is no arguing this point. Work while you are supposed to be working, and take breaks whenever you need to. No one is on a set break schedule, we can all park anytime we want. That is what this camera thing is all about.

Eckoh's Comment
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I think what people are missing is that when you are on duty or driving, you are on the company's time, not your own. I understand that everyone eats and has personal conversations on the phone and takes smoke breaks while they drive, but just because everyone does it does not make it right. Ask yourself, if you were in any other job, would you be allowed to take care of personal business during your shift? For example, if you were a cook in a restaurant, could you take a smoke break right there in front of the grill? Talk to your girlfriend on the phone while taking an order? Eat a meal while a customer waits for you to prepare their food? No, you would do your job while you were on the clock, and only your job. You would wait for your breaks to take care of all that other stuff. It's like that in any job, so why do we as truck drivers feel we have the right to do all of our personal business and do things that should be done on break times while we're on our shift behind the wheel? We all agreed to work up to 14 hours a day on the company's clock. The rest of the time is ours to handle all that other stuff. This all leads back to the point that we all feel entitled to do things which are in reality unsafe and unethical, but now that the companies are implementing a system which will call us out on it, we all cry foul. Say all you want about privacy, but there is no arguing this point. Work while you are supposed to be working, and take breaks whenever you need to. No one is on a set break schedule, we can all park anytime we want. That is what this camera thing is all about.

drivers also do not "clock in" either we live our jobs more then any 9 to 5er ever will. Also to make money we have to work 70 hours a week or as close to it as we can get. It cannot be compared to a 40 hour a week job at a desk.

Daniel's Comment
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I think what people are missing is that when you are on duty or driving, you are on the company's time, not your own. I understand that everyone eats and has personal conversations on the phone and takes smoke breaks while they drive, but just because everyone does it does not make it right. Ask yourself, if you were in any other job, would you be allowed to take care of personal business during your shift? For example, if you were a cook in a restaurant, could you take a smoke break right there in front of the grill? Talk to your girlfriend on the phone while taking an order? Eat a meal while a customer waits for you to prepare their food? No, you would do your job while you were on the clock, and only your job. You would wait for your breaks to take care of all that other stuff. It's like that in any job, so why do we as truck drivers feel we have the right to do all of our personal business and do things that should be done on break times while we're on our shift behind the wheel? We all agreed to work up to 14 hours a day on the company's clock. The rest of the time is ours to handle all that other stuff. This all leads back to the point that we all feel entitled to do things which are in reality unsafe and unethical, but now that the companies are implementing a system which will call us out on it, we all cry foul. Say all you want about privacy, but there is no arguing this point. Work while you are supposed to be working, and take breaks whenever you need to. No one is on a set break schedule, we can all park anytime we want. That is what this camera thing is all about.

Bingo!

Nailed it on the head with that statement. Pretty much apples to apples with that right there. You have a 30 minute break required to do all that. You also have 10 hour break that is also required (to drive again afterwards).. That's 10 1/2 hours right there! No reason to be on the phone, unless you're reporting that your life is in danger, or you have killed someone (but you won't be driving in that case... or shouldn't be).

The Persian Conversion's Comment
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I think what people are missing is that when you are on duty or driving, you are on the company's time, not your own. I understand that everyone eats and has personal conversations on the phone and takes smoke breaks while they drive, but just because everyone does it does not make it right. Ask yourself, if you were in any other job, would you be allowed to take care of personal business during your shift? For example, if you were a cook in a restaurant, could you take a smoke break right there in front of the grill? Talk to your girlfriend on the phone while taking an order? Eat a meal while a customer waits for you to prepare their food? No, you would do your job while you were on the clock, and only your job. You would wait for your breaks to take care of all that other stuff. It's like that in any job, so why do we as truck drivers feel we have the right to do all of our personal business and do things that should be done on break times while we're on our shift behind the wheel? We all agreed to work up to 14 hours a day on the company's clock. The rest of the time is ours to handle all that other stuff. This all leads back to the point that we all feel entitled to do things which are in reality unsafe and unethical, but now that the companies are implementing a system which will call us out on it, we all cry foul. Say all you want about privacy, but there is no arguing this point. Work while you are supposed to be working, and take breaks whenever you need to. No one is on a set break schedule, we can all park anytime we want. That is what this camera thing is all about.

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drivers also do not "clock in" either we live our jobs more then any 9 to 5er ever will. Also to make money we have to work 70 hours a week or as close to it as we can get. It cannot be compared to a 40 hour a week job at a desk.

Ah, but we do "clock in." That's precisely what our logs record. We clock in and out on a daily basis. And yes, we do work 70 hours a week, but why should that make any difference? What about the people who work two full time jobs just to support their families? Are they somehow exempt from these principles because they work more hours than the typical person? This is the job we all signed up for. We knew the rules and the amount of work that would be required. Yes, it is a long, tiring job. But we aren't allowed to take personal liberties just because we think that's unfair.

Daniel's Comment
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I think what people are missing is that when you are on duty or driving, you are on the company's time, not your own. I understand that everyone eats and has personal conversations on the phone and takes smoke breaks while they drive, but just because everyone does it does not make it right. Ask yourself, if you were in any other job, would you be allowed to take care of personal business during your shift? For example, if you were a cook in a restaurant, could you take a smoke break right there in front of the grill? Talk to your girlfriend on the phone while taking an order? Eat a meal while a customer waits for you to prepare their food? No, you would do your job while you were on the clock, and only your job. You would wait for your breaks to take care of all that other stuff. It's like that in any job, so why do we as truck drivers feel we have the right to do all of our personal business and do things that should be done on break times while we're on our shift behind the wheel? We all agreed to work up to 14 hours a day on the company's clock. The rest of the time is ours to handle all that other stuff. This all leads back to the point that we all feel entitled to do things which are in reality unsafe and unethical, but now that the companies are implementing a system which will call us out on it, we all cry foul. Say all you want about privacy, but there is no arguing this point. Work while you are supposed to be working, and take breaks whenever you need to. No one is on a set break schedule, we can all park anytime we want. That is what this camera thing is all about.

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drivers also do not "clock in" either we live our jobs more then any 9 to 5er ever will. Also to make money we have to work 70 hours a week or as close to it as we can get. It cannot be compared to a 40 hour a week job at a desk.

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Ah, but we do "clock in." That's precisely what our logs record. We clock in and out on a daily basis. And yes, we do work 70 hours a week, but why should that make any difference? What about the people who work two full time jobs just to support their families? Are they somehow exempt from these principles because they work more hours than the typical person? This is the job we all signed up for. We knew the rules and the amount of work that would be required. Yes, it is a long, tiring job. But we aren't allowed to take personal liberties just because we think that's unfair.

That's the dictionary definition of "ANARCHY."

Eckoh's Comment
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I think what people are missing is that when you are on duty or driving, you are on the company's time, not your own. I understand that everyone eats and has personal conversations on the phone and takes smoke breaks while they drive, but just because everyone does it does not make it right. Ask yourself, if you were in any other job, would you be allowed to take care of personal business during your shift? For example, if you were a cook in a restaurant, could you take a smoke break right there in front of the grill? Talk to your girlfriend on the phone while taking an order? Eat a meal while a customer waits for you to prepare their food? No, you would do your job while you were on the clock, and only your job. You would wait for your breaks to take care of all that other stuff. It's like that in any job, so why do we as truck drivers feel we have the right to do all of our personal business and do things that should be done on break times while we're on our shift behind the wheel? We all agreed to work up to 14 hours a day on the company's clock. The rest of the time is ours to handle all that other stuff. This all leads back to the point that we all feel entitled to do things which are in reality unsafe and unethical, but now that the companies are implementing a system which will call us out on it, we all cry foul. Say all you want about privacy, but there is no arguing this point. Work while you are supposed to be working, and take breaks whenever you need to. No one is on a set break schedule, we can all park anytime we want. That is what this camera thing is all about.

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drivers also do not "clock in" either we live our jobs more then any 9 to 5er ever will. Also to make money we have to work 70 hours a week or as close to it as we can get. It cannot be compared to a 40 hour a week job at a desk.

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Ah, but we do "clock in." That's precisely what our logs record. We clock in and out on a daily basis. And yes, we do work 70 hours a week, but why should that make any difference? What about the people who work two full time jobs just to support their families? Are they somehow exempt from these principles because they work more hours than the typical person? This is the job we all signed up for. We knew the rules and the amount of work that would be required. Yes, it is a long, tiring job. But we aren't allowed to take personal liberties just because we think that's unfair.

last time i checked 9 to 5 office workers did not sleep each night at their desks.

Daniel's Comment
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last time i checked 9 to 5 office workers did not sleep each night at their desks.

You sleep 'at your desk' by choice. Explain to me how that makes you any different.

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