I don't want to get into this debate over legality of it or, hence why I said it's "what you're supposed to do but not everyone does".
how you or anyone else manages their time is their business, all I know right now is what it says in the safety regulations book, it may not be what drivers actually do though. Truth be told there's probably a lot of things in that book that drivers are supposed to do but don't.
Once you get to USX, ask them to clarify it for you. You may be misinterpreting it, like the others, are trying to explain to you. Since it is stated in the book, that means what they are doing, is in fact illegal. But since they, and everyone else do it, the companies, and even DOT inspectors allow it, means that it is in fact, Legal. So either you are right and everyone else is wrong, or you need to allow for further clarification, and instruction in the matter.
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
I don't want to get into this debate over legality of it or, hence why I said it's "what you're supposed to do but not everyone does".
how you or anyone else manages their time is their business, all I know right now is what it says in the safety regulations book, it may not be what drivers actually do though. Truth be told there's probably a lot of things in that book that drivers are supposed to do but don't.
Once you get to USX, ask them to clarify it for you. You may be misinterpreting it, like the others, are trying to explain to you. Since it is stated in the book, that means what they are doing, is in fact illegal. But since they, and everyone else do it, the companies, and even DOT inspectors allow it, means that it is in fact, Legal. So either you are right and everyone else is wrong, or you need to allow for further clarification, and instruction in the matter.
Danielsahn, Did you read my last response to Phox?
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
Danielsahn, Did you read my last response to Phox?
Yes Meester Gtown, I did. I was just trying to be all encompassing of the ones who shared their thoughts, that Phox is basically in disagreement with. I can see where he is coming from, though.
Stay safe
Danielsahn, Did you read my last response to Phox?
Yes Meester Gtown, I did. I was just trying to be all encompassing of the ones who shared their thoughts, that Phox is basically in disagreement with. I can see where he is coming from, though.
Stay safe
oh wait..... THAT last response, i guess I didn't until just after my response to you. OOOOPS
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This is what the FMCSA currently says about off-duty guidelines:
Through the revision of the regulatory guidance, FMCSA makes clear that the motor carrier need not provide formal guidance, either verbal or written, to drivers with regard to the specific times and locations where rest break may be taken. The revised guidance also emphasizes that periods of time during which the driver is free to stop working, and engage in activities of his/her choosing, may be recorded as "off-duty time", irrespective of whether the driver has the means or opportunity to leave a particular facility or location. All previously issued guidance on this matter should be disregarded if inconsistent with today's notice.
So based on the above "emphasis" how did I break any rules in the 4 scenarios I presented? The sentence in bold is key to understanding the application of what off-duty means and how it has become practical, relevant, and not completely arbitrary. If I am performing any kind of work, I must be on-duty, no exceptions, no question. If I am sitting in a staging area at a shipper or even dock, I am free to get out of my truck (once secured) and walk into the shippers lounge area. By definition I am off-duty because I am not performing any work. Play this out further, if I determine my load is delayed to the point where it makes sense to take the 10 hour break, I can do so on the shippers premises and not be in violation of any rule because again, I am not performing any work, especially if I am sleeping.
Shipper:
The customer who is shipping the freight. This is where the driver will pick up a load and then deliver it to the receiver or consignee.
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.OOS:
When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.