Sleeper Berth HOS Rule Does My Bedroom Count?
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First off - I'd ask my company safety department if/how they would like you to log.
If you're staying that local, and under the "air miles rule" then chances are you won't need to.
For local, when there's no overnight OTR in a truck - you are simply OFF DUTY. You are ON DUTY when you pre/post-trip, fuel, etc.. ON DUTY/DRIVING when you are - well, DRIVING. And OFF DUTY for all other times.
If you are operating a COMMERCIAL VEHICLE, that requires a CDL License (regardless of class) than you are under DOT/FMCSA Regs - including HOS.
Typically - travel from home to work in a PERSONAL VEHICLE, isn't going to be On Duty, if you are taking your bus HOME and driving it TO WORK (or point of pickup), then it would be ON DUTY/DRIVING.
Again - up to your EMPLOYER how/if you need to log. Yes - it's your butt too, but it's THEIR BUTT if they are operating as a motor carrier and not following the rules.
Rick
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
OTR:
Over The Road
OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
- Commercial Drivers' Licenses
- Data and Analysis
- Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
- Research and Technology
- Safety Assistance
- Support and Information Sharing
DOT:
Department Of Transportation
A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.
State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.
Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.OWI:
Operating While Intoxicated
Here's a typical situation I'm trying to work out:
Company A is a motor carrier Company B is a Health Care Facility
I will not be bringing a bus home with either company and will be using a personal vehicle to travel to both companies. As I thought and you have confirmed personal vehicle travel would be considered off duty time.
On day #1 of the week I drive 8 hours for company A and clock out to drive home. Company B calls and wants me to drive for 4 hours. If I went straight over to company B and made the run I'd be 1 hour over the 11 hour limit.
So the question would be?
If I'm interpreting the sleeper berth rule correctly, Could I go home and sleep for 2 hours to extend my drive time in order to make the 4 hour run at company B ?
When the run at company B is complete I would have 8 hours of sleep at home, possibly even more. I think the high road log book training area stated that 11 hours of sleep gives you a complete new set of 14 on duty 11 drive time clocks.
I'm trying to develop a plan to get the maximum amount of drive time in any given day. Different runs will be popping up throughout the week at any given time so I need to be able to figure out if I can go on them or not.
This may be an odd question:
Would taking a pickup truck with a camper on the back to work be considered a sleeper? Company A runs several shifts so I could possibly crash out between shifts in the camper to extend my drive time. I'm almost 50 miles from the depot so in this circumstance its not practical for me to drive home to sleep.
I can hear everyone laughing at my situation which I'm totally OK with. This is life in the ozarks my friend. You have to do what ever you can to make some cash. I hope to be driving OTR class A sometime in February of 2017, right now I can't do it.
OTR:
Over The Road
OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.
Sleeper Berth:
The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.
Technically (legally) - if both jobs require a CDL , then hours ON DUTY from both jobs count.
You have to HAVE A SLEEPER BERTH in the VEHICLE YOU ARE OPERATING, in order to use the split sleeper.
Give ya an example. Have a few friends that drive 3/4 ton dually pickups with trailers doing motorcycle transport. They'd BETTER HAVE THE BACK SEAT SETUP AS A BED, if they are going to log ANY TIME on sleeper berth. Otherwise it's simply OFF DUTY TIME (doesn't matter how they spend it). These guys still run paper logs (actually, 3 of them).
Since, in your case - neither company is (likely) going to require logs, and neither one is going to know about the other.
The "healthcare facility" - does it use a bus that falls under FMCSA guidelines? I remember, back in the day - I drove a cab and a limo - both required a "chauffeur's license" (which then, is what a CDL is TODAY). There's wasn't any logging - as it wasn't a bus.
So gain - it really depends on whether or not EITHER JOB is going to require you to log AT ALL.
Rick
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Sleeper Berth:
The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
- Commercial Drivers' Licenses
- Data and Analysis
- Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
- Research and Technology
- Safety Assistance
- Support and Information Sharing
Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Hey Rick,
Thanks for the clarification about the sleeping berth actually being on the vehicle. I don't think the healthcare facility operates under FMCSA guidelines since I'm currently driving for them with a class E chauffeur license carrying less than 15 passengers. I'm guessing the bus company doesn't require logs. It is a CDL driving position so I'll have to talk with them about how they are accounting for drivers time behind the wheel.
CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:
- Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
- Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
- Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
CSA:
Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)
The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle
FMCSA:
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.
What Does The FMCSA Do?
- Commercial Drivers' Licenses
- Data and Analysis
- Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
- Research and Technology
- Safety Assistance
- Support and Information Sharing
Fm:
Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager
The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
First off, once you punch out you are considered off duty. You need a time card and not a log book. Secondly the split sleeper birth does NOT extend your drive time, it only extends your 14 hour clock. You would still be over the 11 hour drive time. And lastly you can only use the split sleeper if you are actually in a sleeper, not in your bed at home.
Hey Pat,
Thanks for the input. I studied the HOS rules again. 10 hours of off duty time in my circumstance will be the most useful rule to keep the wheels turning and stay in compliance with HOS. The split sleeper rule for those that can take advantage of it is no doubt a very useful method to maximize your drive time.
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.New Reply:
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If I drive local can I go off duty at home and sleep to extend my hours of service?
I need to drive Class C as a bus driver for the time being before moving up to Class A
I'm assuming that even though I'm Class C and local I'd still be under HOS rules?
Since I'm less than 150 miles from home I shouldn't be required to keep a log book?
Should I document my hours just to cover my A**?
Would my travel time from my job(s) to home count as on duty time?
Both companies I'd be driving for operate on a 7 day per week schedule.
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.