Personal Conveyance

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Mike H's Comment
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Can somebody please explain the rules for Personal conveyance. I know you can't be under dispatch but how far can you legally drive. And can you use it after you drove your entire shift?

Steven N. (aka Wilson)'s Comment
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Can somebody please explain the rules for Personal conveyance. I know you can't be under dispatch but how far can you legally drive. And can you use it after you drove your entire shift?

I've been wondering about that myself. How do you make those runs to Walmart? How far are you allowed to drive to get there or any other destination? What status are you on when you make a run like that? I imagine each company may have different policies, but on the average, how does this work? Do you bobtail it, etc?

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
RedGator's Comment
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My company allows you 10 miles a day. We use the People Net system not Quallcomm so we go on Off duty (PC). Its 5 miles one way and 5 miles back. If we get permission under a load we can drop our trailer at a ts and bobtail to Walmart. Every company is different.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Joe S. (a.k.a. The Blue 's Comment
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Celadon, in the US allows 1 hours of personal use per day. But only if you are not under a load.

In saying that, I have been told by a couple of drivers, that even under a load, if you are at a Celadon Terminal , and with your DM's approval, you can unhook and drop the trailer to run personal errands.

Now, in saying that, if the load is a high value load, I have also been told you NEVER unhook till you either drop or are unloaded. Even if you are at a Celadon Terminal.

Being new to the company, I am still learning the ropes, so I am taking what I have been told by other drivers for my information.

RedGator is right. From what little I have heard and read, each company is different.

When I first looked into getting into trucking, one of the other companies I talked to told me I could use the truck for personal use as long as I wasn't under a load, with no limits. I am sure they mean for local use. I am sure they wouldn't have let me bobtail 2 or 3 hundred miles. rofl-3.gif

Keep it safe out here. The life you save might be your own. Joe S.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Mike H's Comment
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We have peoplenet also but ours are set up to allow 150 miles a day off duty PC. Company says along as we are empty or bobtailing we can use it. But is it legal for me to drive 11 hours get empty and then drive 150 miles say to go home once empty. I think DOT would have a big problem with that.

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Ernie S. (AKA Old Salty D's Comment
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We have peoplenet also but ours are set up to allow 150 miles a day off duty PC. Company says along as we are empty or bobtailing we can use it. But is it legal for me to drive 11 hours get empty and then drive 150 miles say to go home once empty. I think DOT would have a big problem with that.

I am with Prime, and we are allowed 2 hours within a 24 hour time (midnight to midnight), no mileage limit using Off Duty Driving (counts for off Duty time). We use QualComm , so not sure what the difference is with PeopleNet. But after the 2 hrs has been reached, it will put you on the driveline & you have no say in it.

But as you have pointed out, how does that work in the example above. As long as you don't go over your 14 I would imagine that would be ok. But again, I am sure it is different for every company.

Ernie

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Qualcomm:

Omnitracs (a.k.a. Qualcomm) is a satellite-based messaging system with built-in GPS capabilities built by Qualcomm. It has a small computer screen and keyboard and is tied into the truck’s computer. It allows trucking companies to track where the driver is at, monitor the truck, and send and receive messages with the driver – similar to email.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Steven N. (aka Wilson)'s Comment
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Good answers, all. As I suspected, each company will have different policies, whether or not you can bobtail 2 or 3 hundred miles or not. rofl-1.gif

Bobtail:

"Bobtailing" means you are driving a tractor without a trailer attached.

Michael W.'s Comment
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I'm new to the elog thing my safety director said that I could use off-duty driving at the end of my shift to go from the truck stop to the customer he said to go to the customer do your post trip then go off-duty driving to the truckstop then the next morning go off-duty driving to the customer and then start your log whenever you're at the customer from what I've seen this isn't personal conveyance because you're under a load so am I correct in assuming that my safety director is misinformed because I don't think that would be legal to do that man I miss paper logs but you got to keep up with the times I guess if somebody's got an answer please post it thank you

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

LDRSHIP's Comment
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I'm new to the elog thing my safety director said that I could use off-duty driving at the end of my shift to go from the truck stop to the customer he said to go to the customer do your post trip then go off-duty driving to the truckstop then the next morning go off-duty driving to the customer and then start your log whenever you're at the customer from what I've seen this isn't personal conveyance because you're under a load so am I correct in assuming that my safety director is misinformed because I don't think that would be legal to do that man I miss paper logs but you got to keep up with the times I guess if somebody's got an answer please post it thank you

Your safety director is misinformed. I am sure Rickipedia will hop on and correct any mistakes I make in giving you the guidelines for Off-Duty Driving: Personal Conveyance.

There is 5 criteria you must meet.

A) The reason for your travel must be personal in nature. Food, Shopping, Shelter, Home.

B) You must intend to leave and return to the same area.

C) You must not be under dispatch to travel to said location.

D) You must be unladen

E) Your travel must be a reasonable distance. Reasonable distance is generally accepted as having the ability to travel to a location, rest, then travel back from the location within the span of a 10hr break. Since it is generally accepted that humans require 8 hours of rest. This restricts your travel time to roughly 1 hour.

Drive Safe and God Speed

Elog:

Electronic Onboard Recorder

Electronic Logbook

A device which records the amount of time a vehicle has been driven. If the vehicle is not being driven, the operator will manually input whether or not he/she is on duty or not.

LDRSHIP's Comment
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To kinda clarify what your safety said in a way that would make it legal. You show up empty to a customer to get loaded. Appointment is the next day. You go off duty driving to go to a truck stop. You sleep, shop, eat, etc... the next morning though you must be on duty driving when returning to the customer. You ARE under dispatch to go to the customer. It doesn't much matter that you were already there. You are being directed to go there. Here is another example. You get to the terminal. You are allowed to take your trucks home. You travel home on off duty driving: personal conveyance. You get a message giving you a dispatch. You must pick up a trailer at the terminal. The return trip to the terminal must be under on duty driving.

I hope that helps clarify things.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

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