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Got my CDLs and did a lil celebration thought I was clean went for a pre hire got a refusal left the sight of test didn’t know I would get a refusal and took a test and it was positive went through sap now I’m clear and looking for work... any companies willing to hire??

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

Pre Hire:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

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Got my CDLs and did a lil celebration thought I was clean went for a pre hire got a refusal left the sight of test didn’t know I would get a refusal

Damon, welcome to our website. I want to make sure I am understanding what you are saying. Are you saying you burned through a few blunts to celebrate getting your CDL?

Then it appears that you refused a drug test at orientation?

I'm just confused by the way you expressed yourself. I've gotten a ton of "pre-hires." None of them involved any drug testing. Can you answer those couple of questions with a little more detail? Then we can try to move forward to help on this one...

I’m clear and looking for work... any companies willing to hire??

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Pre-hire:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

Pre Hire:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

Pre-hires:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Rick S.'s Comment
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Got my CDLs and did a lil celebration thought I was clean went for a pre hire got a refusal left the sight of test didn’t know I would get a refusal and took a test and it was positive went through sap now I’m clear and looking for work... any companies willing to hire??

So you got your CDL , WENT OUT AND GOT HIGH TO CELEBRATE - went to a DRUG TEST and couldn't/wouldn't submit a sample for testing? Or you submitted a sample and it came back POSITIVE?

Lemme count to TEN here.

OK - legally - A REFUSAL IS A FAIL.

Typically - if you can't go - you are allowed to sit and drink water for a reasonable amount of time, until you CAN GO. If you REFUSE TO GO (or mess around, until they figure out YOU DON'T WANT TO GO) - THAT IS A REFUSAL.

It's good that you did a SAP (I guess), but as a NEW ENTRANT INTO THE INDUSTRY - your odds of getting a hire ARE NOT GOOD. And the SAP had to be one that was done UNDER THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS OF DOT USC 49 CFR Part 40.

Some more info on 7 STEPS TO RETURN TO DUTY FOLLOWING A DOT TESTING VIOLATION

One of the issues with SAP RTD Protocol, that shys companies away - is that the person returning to duty has to be MONITORED MORE STRICTLY - MORE RANDOMS (for a period of time), and a lot of companies just don't want the hassle of an employee that SHOWS UP FOR ORIENTATION AND DROPS DIRTY - especially a NEW TRAINEE.

The other thing you are looking at is - I assume you went to some private CDL School, and got your CDL - but HAVEN'T DRIVEN A CMV? Most companies that hire RECENT GRADS - want the new hires to be RECENT GRADS. That's 30-60 DAYS MAX. So if you got out of school and haven't driven for over 60 days (+/-) - you will have to, AT THE LEAST, go through a REFRESHER - and AT THE MOST - GO THROUGH FULL TRAINING.

Again - a FAILED DRUG SCREEN - EVEN WITH A SAP - MAKES THIS REAL DIFFICULT AS A NEW ENTRANT INTO THE INDUSTRY.

Honestly - it is PRETTY MUCH THE KISS OF DEATH. Not that it isn't RARELY OVERCOME - but it's RARE that a newb actually gets in on a recent SAP.

Now - if an highly experienced and productive (and otherwise trouble-free) driver like, say, OLD SCHOOL - had an OOoooops (yah, I know, that would never happen - just using you as an example here Old Man) - and did a SAP - there's a pretty good chance he could get a RE-HIRE. But HE has a PROVEN PRODUCTIVE TRACK RECORD - and a newbie HAS NONE.

Taking in newbies is a HUGE LIABILITY RISK for companies to begin with. TAKING ONE ON THAT FAILED AN ORIENTATION DRUG SCREEN IS PRETTY MUCH A NON-STARTER.

As a new entrant - filling out an app (online or otherwise) - when you (HONESTLY) answer the question "HAVE YOU EVER FAILED A DOT DRUG SCREEN?" - there isn't a follow-up question that asks "HAVE YOU COMPLETED AN RTD/SAP" - because MOST COMPANIES JUST DO NOT CARE at that point.

APPLY EVERYWHERE - but EXPECT DISAPPOINTMENT, LOTS OF IT. You may find SOMEONE that will hire you - but the ODDS ARE INCREDIBLY STACKED AGAINST YOU.

Keep us posted on your progress. IF YOU DO GET A HIRE - LET US KNOW WHERE - so we can advise others that find themselves in a similar situation (and we get 3-4 a month on average), where they might apply...

(gets CDL - goes and gets high to celebrate and drops dirty - FACEPALM)...

Rick

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

CMV:

Commercial Motor Vehicle

A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions:

  • Weighs 10,001 pounds or more
  • Has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross combination weight rating of 10,001 pounds or more
  • Is designed or used to transport 16 or more passengers (including the driver) not for compensation
  • Is designed or used to transport 9 or more passengers (including the driver) for compensation
  • Is transporting hazardous materials in a quantity requiring placards

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

Pre Hire:

What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?

Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand.

We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process.

A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment

The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment.

During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.

OWI:

Operating While Intoxicated

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