Underage Drinking Ruin My Chances?

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Kerry L.'s Comment
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Well, once the suspension is more than 5 years old it will no longer be something that shows up because companies don't go back that far on MVR.

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When I pulled my own MVR from the state it was the same price for 5 yrs, 10yrs or lifetime so I pulled the lifetime. Thats how I know the underage drinking suspensions are on there.

Then… Found out they show up as summary offenses on the background check when I applied to drive for Doordash and Uber eats.

Luckily they are so old that they shouldn’t prevent me from being hired. Currently waiting to hear back from ABF Freight, recruiters and HR already reviewed and approved my application. I’m in the potential interview phase waiting for hiring managers decision. I applied for their driver development program

I was referring to what companies looking for pertaining to driving positions.

MVR:

Motor Vehicle Record

An MVR is a report of your driving history, as reported from your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Information on this report may include Drivers License information, point history, violations, convictions, and license status on your driving record.

Turtle's Comment
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How do you know how far back carriers go in their checks, Kerry?

Kerry L.'s Comment
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How do you know how far back carriers go in their checks, Kerry?

About 100+ applications with various trucking companies and speaking with HR personnel at those companies when trying to get hired. (My story as to why so many applications and over what period of time can be discussed elsewhere. Ask me in my own thread, if you are interested to know.) Plus, a lot of reading.

Federal regulation requires that every trucking company do MVR checks that go back 5 years. Some states only provide back 3 years by standard, but companies can receive 5 years upon request. When hiring drivers with experience, some companies choose to request MVR that goes back 10 years. This is optional on the part of any company choosing to do that. All of my submitted applications, before I went to orientation at TransAm, when MVR requests were submitted the copy sent to me showed how far back the check went. None showed any further back than 5 years. Recently submitted applications show that I was at TransAm for the month of August. 1 company requested MVR going back 10 years. I would have to look on Driver Pulse app to see which company it was because I don't recall off the top of my head.

BMI:

Body mass index (BMI)

BMI is a formula that uses weight and height to estimate body fat. For most people, BMI provides a reasonable estimate of body fat. The BMI's biggest weakness is that it doesn't consider individual factors such as bone or muscle mass. BMI may:

  • Underestimate body fat for older adults or other people with low muscle mass
  • Overestimate body fat for people who are very muscular and physically fit

It's quite common, especially for men, to fall into the "overweight" category if you happen to be stronger than average. If you're pretty strong but in good shape then pay no attention.

MVR:

Motor Vehicle Record

An MVR is a report of your driving history, as reported from your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Information on this report may include Drivers License information, point history, violations, convictions, and license status on your driving record.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.

OOS:

When a violation by either a driver or company is confirmed, an out-of-service order removes either the driver or the vehicle from the roadway until the violation is corrected.

Turtle's Comment
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While 5 years may be all that is required, there's nothing stopping them from looking back further if they want. I don't want our readers to get the false notion that they can try to hide something from longer than 5 years ago if the company specifically asks about it.

When a company asks "Has your license ever been suspended?", The applicant has to answer honestly, even if the suspension was 10+ years ago.

Likewise, if a company asks "Have you received any citations in the previous 3 years?", The applicant only needs to answer in regard to those previous 3 years. They can leave out anything prior to that.

It's all about answering the questions exactly as they are worded.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Kerry L.'s Comment
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When a company asks "Has your license ever been suspended?", The applicant has to answer honestly, even if the suspension was 10+ years ago.

I stated this nearly word-for-word in another post within this same thread. It seems that you may have misunderstood something that I have posted. Or, maybe I didn't make a statement clear in its meaning. At any rate, nowhere can you point out that I told anyone to be anything other than completely truthful on an application. In numerous comments in numerous threads I have been quite clear about the need to be honest with trucking companies.

Feel free to read all of my posts and please point out where I have said anything about not being truthful on an application. You won't find any such post.

Enjoy your day.

Turtle's Comment
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nowhere can you point out that I told anyone to be anything other than completely truthful on an application.

I never said any such thing. I'm well aware of everything you write, and that was not the part I was addressing.

You made this statement:

Well, once the suspension is more than 5 years old it will no longer be something that shows up because companies don't go back that far on MVR.

That statement is somewhat false and misleading. If a new reader came across that statement without reading the other stuff you mentioned, they can come away with the wrong idea.

Don't get all bent. It's only a minor point I was trying to make for the thousands of other readers who may come across this.

MVR:

Motor Vehicle Record

An MVR is a report of your driving history, as reported from your state Department of Motor Vehicles. Information on this report may include Drivers License information, point history, violations, convictions, and license status on your driving record.

Bklyn Dreams's Comment
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Expungements only apply to state & local jurisdictions. Federal records are never expunged (at least that's what I was told). Trucking companies, being federally regulated, will have access to those records. You mentioned a speeding 1 yr old speeding ticket. Hopefully you've made Wilson aware of that. They may have an issue with it depending on how much over the limit you were going.

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Having federal jurisdiction does not mean that the convictions fall under federal law. Only violations of federal law that lead to convictions would be applicable to what you are stating. Basically, what you are proposing is called reverse engineering.

But, as I already stated, trucking companies have the means to access expunged records when doing their digging.

My statement of fact, not proposing anything, is based on my conversation with the criminal defense attorney that represented me many moons ago. They're also based on my interaction & conversation with the ex-law enforcement security person on staff at Prime that I had to present all of my criminal history along with their disposition with the court seal for each municipality in which I had a criminal record, including one that was sealed. That was from 1981 & I went thru orientation in 2018.

Where does the Automated Fingerprint Identification System (IAFIS) & the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) figure in your assumption that only federal "crimes" fall into federal jurisdiction? The records in those databases don't go away with Expungements.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Kerry L.'s Comment
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Expungements only apply to state & local jurisdictions. Federal records are never expunged (at least that's what I was told). Trucking companies, being federally regulated, will have access to those records. You mentioned a speeding 1 yr old speeding ticket. Hopefully you've made Wilson aware of that. They may have an issue with it depending on how much over the limit you were going.

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Having federal jurisdiction does not mean that the convictions fall under federal law. Only violations of federal law that lead to convictions would be applicable to what you are stating. Basically, what you are proposing is called reverse engineering.

But, as I already stated, trucking companies have the means to access expunged records when doing their digging.

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My statement of fact, not proposing anything, is based on my conversation with the criminal defense attorney that represented me many moons ago. They're also based on my interaction & conversation with the ex-law enforcement security person on staff at Prime that I had to present all of my criminal history along with their disposition with the court seal for each municipality in which I had a criminal record, including one that was sealed. That was from 1981 & I went thru orientation in 2018.

Where does the Automated Fingerprint Identification System (IAFIS) & the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) figure in your assumption that only federal "crimes" fall into federal jurisdiction? The records in those databases don't go away with Expungements.

Perhaps I misunderstood the meaning of what you said. If so, my error.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Kerry L.'s Comment
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While 5 years may be all that is required, there's nothing stopping them from looking back further if they want. I don't want our readers to get the false notion that they can try to hide something from longer than 5 years ago if the company specifically asks about it.

When a company asks "Has your license ever been suspended?", The applicant has to answer honestly, even if the suspension was 10+ years ago.

Likewise, if a company asks "Have you received any citations in the previous 3 years?", The applicant only needs to answer in regard to those previous 3 years. They can leave out anything prior to that.

It's all about answering the questions exactly as they are worded.

This post right here is why I made my comment about having never posted anything about being anything less than truthful with a trucking company. If you were not trying to indicate that I was advising such, then I misunderstood the point of your post. I took it as you telling me that I should stop doing such, so I defended myself. I certainly don't want to lead people astray and neither do I want there to be a perception that I have led people astray when I know that I haven't.

Turtle, I appreciate your contributions. I value your input. Thank you for engaging me with integrity.

~Kerry

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Kerry L.'s Comment
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That statement is somewhat false and misleading. If a new reader came across that statement without reading the other stuff you mentioned, they can come away with the wrong idea.

Don't get all bent. It's only a minor point I was trying to make for the thousands of other readers who may come across this.

I overlooked this part of your post. I agree with the optics that my post creates, if someone were to read it without the context of my other statements.

I apologize for the misunderstanding that was my fault.

~Kerry

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