Paper Transport Inc: Hair Follicle Test (a Few Questions)

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Don C.'s Comment
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I am in a CDL score for which I paid myself. Paper Transport looks like a great company. They scheduled me for a urinalysis and hair follicle test.

I know I'll pass the urinalysis, no problem. As for hair follicle: my hair is too short on my head, so they took leg hair. That will likely show marijuana, as it would definitely have been in my system up until the beginning of September (probably the 3rd of September).

My questions:

* Does anyone have experience with PTI to tell me: will that be an automatic "no"?

* Do the results of hair follicle tests go on your record these days? In other words, will I now be screwed forever?

Thanks in advance.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

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  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
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Don C.'s Comment
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* CDL School (not "score")

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Jamie's Comment
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If you fail a preemployment DOT drug screening, it'll greatly ruin your chances of getting hired anywhere without completing SAP , and even then... With no experience, your chances are even lower. With the new ClearingHouse from FMCSA , it makes it much easier for companies to track those who have failed DOT drug screenings from other companies, etc.

Although it's not impossible, your chances will be greatly decreased. Just be ready to hear a lot of no's or no responses from applications you've put in. But hopefully you pass the test, and have no worries moving forward.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Don C.'s Comment
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If you fail a preemployment DOT drug screening, it'll greatly ruin your chances of getting hired anywhere without completing SAP , and even then... With no experience, your chances are even lower. With the new ClearingHouse from FMCSA , it makes it much easier for companies to track those who have failed DOT drug screenings from other companies, etc.

Although it's not impossible, your chances will be greatly decreased. Just be ready to hear a lot of no's or no responses from applications you've put in. But hopefully you pass the test, and have no worries moving forward.

Since posting this, I clicked a link here on the forum and the info on that screen said hair tests aren't reported. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding that.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Don C.'s Comment
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This is that page I mentioned (I found it after starting this thread):

https://www.truckingtruth.com/wiki/topic-50/hair-follicle-vs-urinalysis-breakdown-by-company

"Currently, hair follicle drug testing cannot be used by trucking companies to satisfy Federal DOT drug testing requirements but can be used internally as a prerequisite of employment. Results cannot be reported to the DOT as a failed test, nor can they be shared with other companies."

I hope that's true.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Stevo Reno's Comment
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Now, go to the actual FMSCA site and see there, as what's here "MAY" be outdated?? Pretty sure it WILL be reported on the Fed site ANY failed tests for drugs. As is alcohol, besides, any applications you fill out, a lot will ask if you've ever failed, and honest answers are expected. Companies CAN & WILL find out if the answer is a lie.

Better off waiting a few more months BEFORE testing, which now may be too late since you have given the hair sample....

Good luck with this, but, you may have already "screwed the pooch" confused.gif good-luck.gif

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Jamie's Comment
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If you fail a preemployment DOT drug screening, it'll greatly ruin your chances of getting hired anywhere without completing SAP , and even then... With no experience, your chances are even lower. With the new ClearingHouse from FMCSA , it makes it much easier for companies to track those who have failed DOT drug screenings from other companies, etc.

Although it's not impossible, your chances will be greatly decreased. Just be ready to hear a lot of no's or no responses from applications you've put in. But hopefully you pass the test, and have no worries moving forward.

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Since posting this, I clicked a link here on the forum and the info on that screen said hair tests aren't reported. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding that.

I'm not entirely sure about that, but what I do know is this; even if they sent you home for failing the hair test. When you go to apply to another company, they usually ask if you have ever failed a preemployment drug test, which you are expected to answer honestly since these are federal documents and these companies are generally pretty good at finding out the truth. If you found lying on an application if you are sent home, it will only decrease your chances even more.

When was the last time did you smoke weed? Most companies don't go back that far usually .

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Don C.'s Comment
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If you fail a preemployment DOT drug screening, it'll greatly ruin your chances of getting hired anywhere without completing SAP , and even then... With no experience, your chances are even lower. With the new ClearingHouse from FMCSA , it makes it much easier for companies to track those who have failed DOT drug screenings from other companies, etc.

Although it's not impossible, your chances will be greatly decreased. Just be ready to hear a lot of no's or no responses from applications you've put in. But hopefully you pass the test, and have no worries moving forward.

double-quotes-end.png

double-quotes-end.png

Since posting this, I clicked a link here on the forum and the info on that screen said hair tests aren't reported. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding that.

double-quotes-end.png

I'm not entirely sure about that, but what I do know is this; even if they sent you home for failing the hair test. When you go to apply to another company, they usually ask if you have ever failed a preemployment drug test, which you are expected to answer honestly since these are federal documents and these companies are generally pretty good at finding out the truth. If you found lying on an application if you are sent home, it will only decrease your chances even more.

When was the last time did you smoke weed? Most companies don't go back that far usually .

I was just filling out another application, and in the part that asks if you've failed a test, it asks if you've failed a DOT test. If the hair follicle is not yet considered a DOT test, as mentioned on that page, it would not be dishonest to say, "no."

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

SAP:

Substance Abuse Professional

The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

HOS:

Hours Of Service

HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
Chris P.'s Comment
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I find the hair follicle testing frustrating. It punishes people that have cleaned themselves up, quit using drugs, and are trying to become employed. I smoked pot 8 months ago, and I didn't even like it. Now I have to wait a year to get tested. Further, hair follicle testing is known to have false positives, which means people are getting screwed over that were clean to start with. It's also known for plenty of false negatives, which Jamie should be hoping for.

IDMtnGal 's Comment
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It's also known for plenty of false negatives, which Jamie should be hoping for.

Not Jamie, he's an experienced driver. You mean Don C. who is just starting.

Laura

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