Driving Personal Vehicle...my Car

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Lawrence K.'s Comment
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I have used Google and searched this site for an answer.

I have heard that if I use my car to drive to pick up my truck, it is counted as part of the 11 hours driving rule. Is that true?

Thank you.

Lawrence

guyjax(Guy Hodges)'s Comment
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I have used Google and searched this site for an answer.

I have heard that if I use my car to drive to pick up my truck, it is counted as part of the 11 hours driving rule. Is that true?

Thank you.

Lawrence

No its not. If you are in your personal vehicle you are considered commuting and that is your time. Your 11/14 hour clock does not start until you actually doing work for your company. Driving to the truck or to work is not apart of your work day.

Lawrence K.'s Comment
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Thank you, Guy. I knew I could get a straight answer here.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Actually, I believe you have to log that as on duty not driving. Even though you're driving, you're not driving a commercial vehicle. But you are working, and that has to be logged. Here's Logbook Rules & Regulations Page 94 from our High Road Training Program:

What Is Considered On Duty Time?

The 60 / 70 hour limit is based on how many hours you work over a 7 or 8 day period. Just what kind of work is considered on duty time? It includes all time you are working or are required to be ready to work, for any employer. Here are some specific activities which are considered to be on duty time:

  • All time spent at a plant, shipping / receiving facility, terminal , or other facility of a motor carrier, unless you are in your sleeper berth or have been relieved of all work related responsibilities.
  • All time inspecting or servicing your truck, including fueling it and washing it.
  • All driving time.
  • All other time in a truck unless you are resting in a sleeper berth.
  • All time loading, unloading, supervising, or attending your truck; or handling paperwork for shipments.
  • All time spent providing a breath, saliva, hair, or urine sample for drug / alcohol testing, including travel to and from the collection site.
  • All time spent doing any other work for a motor carrier, including giving or receiving training and driving a company car.
  • All time spent doing paid work for anyone who is not a motor carrier, such as a part-time job at a local restaurant.

The bottom line is that on duty time includes all time you are working for a motor carrier, whether paid or not, and all time you are doing paid work for anyone else.

Isn't this something - "all time you are working for a motor carrier, whether paid or not" They even closed up a loophole that would allow someone to say they were simply volunteering to work for the company so it didn't have to be logged.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Scotty D's Comment
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Driving to work to start your day driving a truck shouldn't be considered work any more than me driving to my factory job is. I'm not considered as working during nor am I being compensated for said drive to work. I know DOT rules are a different beast altogether but IMHO, when one is driving to work, they're on their own time. I'm certainly no subject matter expert so if I'm way off base, feel free to ring the bell and call school into session. good-luck-2.gif

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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Scotty, commuting to work is not considered working. If you had a local driving job and went home every night, the commute would not be logged.

I believe what Lawrence is going to do is take his personal vehicle to pick up his company truck from somewhere. Maybe it was abandoned by another driver, maybe it was at a dealership - could be anything. But if its considered work being done for a commercial carrier, paid or not, then it has to be logged as on duty. Otherwise the carriers would just circumvent the system. They would hire 1000 "volunteers" to drive their trucks or give them phony assignments and no one would have to use logbooks.

Logbook:

A written or electronic record of a driver's duty status which must be maintained at all times. The driver records the amount of time spent driving, on-duty not driving, in the sleeper berth, or off duty. The enforcement of the Hours Of Service Rules (HOS) are based upon the entries put in a driver's logbook.

Scotty D's Comment
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Ahhh, I see now. I figured there was some piece of the puzzle that my inexperience was missing. Education is a good thing! thank-you.gif

Doug 's Comment
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If we are talking about going to the terminal from home time, that isnt considered working and wouldn't need to be logged. Just your commute to work like everyone else that drives to their job.

If you are talking about picking up a truck for your employer for some other reason and taking it to a terminal or anywhere else then it would be on duty time and would need to be logged.

Terminal:

A facility where trucking companies operate out of, or their "home base" if you will. A lot of major companies have multiple terminals around the country which usually consist of the main office building, a drop lot for trailers, and sometimes a repair shop and wash facilities.

guyjax(Guy Hodges)'s Comment
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I thought I made the work and not working part about logging pretty plain but since I know the rules perhaps it was not as plain as I thought it was.

Brett is correct if you are doing it FOR the company then it's on duty not driving but if you leave the house and are returning to work for your next run then it does not have to be logged.

Not let's say you left your house and got to work and they asked you to drive over and pick up a truck in your personal vehicle then that would be on duty not driving.

Lawrence K.'s Comment
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Thank you all for providing some clarity on this point.

Conclusion: No, it is not logged.

That was what I was after. :)

Thank you

Lawrence

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