Regarding Old Post, Follow Up To-NEED ADVISE!!!!! Made To Drive While Sick And Dangerous Conditions.

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Ms. Tomboy's Comment
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Original message-I exited a highway at 45 when posted limit was 20. Trainer said you could have killed us. I called Fleet Manager and Safety to get help before getting on the highway again and they said the best way is with your trainer on the highway. I wanted just a few days or so on roads to get it down, but they just transferred me to another trainer and sent me out again. Was there for 3 days with no word or additional training. I had contracted the flu and severe lung infection, They said to deliver the load to WA-WI and we will "See about getting you medical attention". When on the 2nd truck I lost it on a hill and truck lost speed and I was almost going backwards out of control, or not in gear. I pulled to emergency lane and then started over again. I had the flu at this point and was told by my fleet manager to deliver the load i am under. I had a fever, vomiting (other stuff)and was still driving. i told them I needed medical attention, but still had to deliver till I could get aid. Verbally abusive trainers, two of them to be exact. And a trainer that was smoking illegal drugs. I reported him to the fleet manager and it was ignored and he was sent on another load!!! I am being called in to speak with the department head today........we will see what happens!

Outcome-They will not release my license, DMV said its something called a DL170. My temporary license will expire on September 13th. The DMV, Dept. of Labor, DOT and OSHA all have said not to get back on the truck until the company fixes the issue and if they don't release the license , then I shouldn't have to pay for the schooling since I have no license or job anymore, come Monday that is. They refuse to help me before getting back OTR. They said that they did an internal investigation on the trainers and found no fault, even though I had proof of verbal abuse, which the Employee Relations Investigator said she didn't need the statement from my friend that heard everything the trainer said to me, not to mention that a customer heard as well. My Drive Manger stated that If I don't get on the truck and went OTR within the next two days then I will be terminated and if I didn't then I need to find another line of work because trucking isn't for you. WHAT!!!!!

First of all, who the heck is she to be telling me what profession to be in and why the heck is this company so hard to get help from. It was a very simple request, nothing impossible.

Is there anyone out there that knows a company that will actually help me to down shift properly before getting out OTR so I don't kill anyone?!

Please for the love of God, Will someone help or have a good lawyer I can call?

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Fleet Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

Brett Aquila's Comment
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And a trainer that was smoking illegal drugs. I reported him to the fleet manager and it was ignored and he was sent on another load!!

Ok I'm sorry but all of this is completely outrageous and you're giving us very little to go on. I mean, your trainer was smoking illegal drugs in front of you and you reported this but they ignored it?

I find this impossible to believe. Why would a trainer, even if he/she did smoke illegal drugs, do it in front of a trainee and ruin his/her career? And why would a company not give that trainer a drug test if they believed there was even a 1% chance of that being true?

Verbally abusive trainers, two of them to be exact.

Ok three months ago you responded to someone who said they had a verbally abusive trainer by saying, "If there is any way to record him, even better. There's your undeniable proof!"

So did you take your own advice and record any of it when it happened more than once to you?

My Drive Manager stated that If I don't get on the truck and went OTR within the next two days then I will be terminated

So apparently you were refusing to drive or something? And when was this? Was this almost a month ago when you made the original report or was this recently?

Almost a month ago you also said:

Ex-Trainer said I stole bag off truck

So not only are your trainers smoking illegal drugs in front of you, verbally abusing you, and forcing you to drive when you're deathly ill but they're also wrongly accusing you of stealing?

I shouldn't have to pay for the schooling since I have no license or job anymore, come Monday that is

What do you mean "come Monday that is" - you're going to be fired Monday? Are you on the road now? I don't get this.

I'm sorry but at this point nothing you're saying adds up. It's been almost a month since your original report about all of this but you haven't said anything about what went on since then. What has been happening for the past month?

We would love to help you but I honestly don't know what to make of any of this. But one thing is for sure - I've never heard a trainee claim to be verbally abused twice, forced to drive when deathly ill, wrongly accused of stealing, and ignored when witnessing a trainer smoke illegal drugs in front of them. That is some list right there. A hall of fame list for sure. Not to mention it's more than one trainer. The trainer smoking illegal drugs in front of you isn't the same trainer that wrongly accused you of stealing.

Either you're literally working for the devil or something is amiss.

The DMV , Dept. of Labor, DOT and OSHA all have said not to get back on the truck until the company fixes the issue and if they don't release the license , then I shouldn't have to pay for the schooling since I have no license or job anymore, come Monday that is.

So you contacted no less than four agencies after speaking with dispatch, the department head, and us? Wow. And they all sided with you saying to stay off the truck and they even went so far as to say you don't have to pay the company for training because you didn't get your license? That was bold of them to make such statements considering they apparently didn't do an investigation or hear your company's side of it, wouldn't you say?

This is a mess of Biblical proportions. I honestly don't know where to even begin.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

DOT:

Department Of Transportation

A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard.

State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them.

Dm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

Fleet Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.

DMV:

Department of Motor Vehicles, Bureau of Motor Vehicles

The state agency that handles everything related to your driver's licences, including testing, issuance, transfers, and revocation.

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Scott M's Comment
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Ms Tomboy- the only advise I can think of is for you to go to a truck driving school where hopefully you would have more time to work on your up shifting and downshifting.

You wrote that you lost it on a hill and was almost going backwards and out of control or or not in gear.

Brett Aquila asked you several questions. These are very good questions. If you read Brett's other posts, Brett is very helpful and gives good advice.

In your profile you said you love trucking. That is another reason I encouraged you to go to a trucking school.

You wrote that you were on a exit ramp at 45 mph and speed limit was 20. The truck could roll over when you are on a curve going too fast. Or other bad things could have happened when you were speeding.

I have said a prayer for you.

I wish you the best.

-Jetguy

Errol V.'s Comment
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I'm not wasting my time to check, but there may be a word for word post on Trucker Report.

For Trucking Truth it's entertainment. If Tomboy isn't able to back up his/her claims to have survived the worst trucking company on the road, Brett will probably delete this garbage in a day or so.

Scott M's Comment
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I'm not wasting my time to check, but there may be a word for word post on Trucker Report.

For Trucking Truth it's entertainment. If Tomboy isn't able to back up his/her claims to have survived the worst trucking company on the road, Brett will probably delete this garbage in a day or so.

Errol- I do not know. Ms Tomboy had posted before that she had a problem with driving and she was sick at the time.

It may or may not work out for her. I would agree that there's alot of questions right now.

Another lady on this site could not lift the weight the correct height- representing lifting a tarp on a flatbed. Old School gave her VERY detailed instructions on a correct technique. She went to the gym for a few weeks and worked out- 22 hours in like one week. She went back to her company and passed the test and now has a Class A CDL license.

I'm sure we both agree that we only want 100% safe truck drivers on the road.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Errol V.'s Comment
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Jetguy writes:

Errol- I do not know. Ms Tomboy had posted before that she had a problem with driving and she was sick at the time.

It may or may not work out for her. I would agree that there's alot of questions right now.

Jetguy, many of the long-time posters here will take any post at face value and offer the best advice we can. (My favorite was the exotic dancer who wanted help to "explain" her work history so that she could get a trucking job.) However, Tomboy's tale of horror has NOT ONE positive word in the whole thing. That's a big hint Tommy is wanting to say bad things about his/her company.

BTW, just what company is it?

Errol V.'s Comment
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Brett wonders:

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I shouldn't have to pay for the schooling since I have no license or job anymore, come Monday that is

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What do you mean "come Monday that is" - you're going to be fired Monday? Are you on the road now? I don't get this.

Brett, just above that remark, Tomboy says his/her temporary will expire on September 13, the fateful Monday of Reckoning.

Scott M's Comment
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Errol wrote:

many of the long-time posters here will take any post at face value and offer the best advice we can. (My favorite was the exotic dancer who wanted help to "explain" her work history so that she could get a trucking job.) However, Tomboy's tale of horror has NOT ONE positive word in the whole thing. That's a big hint Tommy is wanting to say bad things about his/her company.

BTW, just what company is it?

Errol- you gave me a good laugh over the aspiring actress. The company?- I have no idea.

We will agree to disagree on Ms tomboy.

Have a good day driving.

Scott M's Comment
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Errol- I sent you a pm because I do not want to hijack this thread. This thread is a difficult one, but she did ask for help.

Ms. Tomboy's Comment
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Dear Brett Aquila,

I would like to thank all of you for your comments. I appreciate the feed back. I have read my post again and I guess I was pretty vague. I will try and clarify, but some things are still left to speculation, even for me. I am just trying to get some advise. I am not however going to say what company it is!

Regarding Illegal Drugs:

Trainer #2 wasn’t smoking illegal drugs in front of me. He was in sleeper berth and I smelled it. He stated it was cow smell, but cows don’t smell like that! I called Fleet Manager and he said to get off the truck, which I did and I was told that he was sent on a load after that. I dont know whether they ever tested him.

Verbally Abusive Trainers:

Trainer #2 Was verbally abusive when I was getting off the truck. Verbally abusive Trainer#3 Was heard by a friend that was on the phone with me calling me names, that was the only way I could do it, because recording someone without their knowledge I found out is illegal.

I was told, by a very reliable source that the company has a low trainer-student ratio. I am only assuming that is why. And in my verbal report to HR over the phone, was told that they did an internal investigation, but found “No fault” of either driver. I had told HR that I could give them my friend’s number and information so they could contact him, but they said that would not be necessary. Stolen Medical Bag:

I was accused, as well as another girl, prior to me, of the same thing from the same trainer. I had explained this to both the Department Head and HR, and have gotten no response; they haven’t said anything to me about it after that.

I haven’t been on the truck for a little over a month because I have problems with my down shifting and I had three issues that almost ended with me wrecking the truck. I have asked since the middle of July, as well as my first Trainer when the first issue happened, for safety to help, but they said that I need to be OTR to fix my down shifting, but they have no one to help me otherwise. I was asking before I got back out OTR because I do not want to hurt anyone! There were two other issues after my first trainer and I refused to go OTR until they gave me the needed help. But they just kept putting me with trainer after trainer and not addressing the issue. So I finally put my foot down and haven’t been OTR for a month with no help from safety.

My trucking friends, including the ones I spoke to when I was at the truck stop when I got off the last truck, stated that I was doing the right thing by refusing to drive. I know how bad my down shifting is and even the truckers that saw me doing it were in agreement I should get added help prior to going out again. It is bad! Not just rookie bad!

I hope I clarified everything. I really appreciate the help.

OTR:

Over The Road

OTR driving normally means you'll be hauling freight to various customers throughout your company's hauling region. It often entails being gone from home for two to three weeks at a time.

Sleeper Berth:

The portion of the tractor behind the seats which acts as the "living space" for the driver. It generally contains a bed (or bunk beds), cabinets, lights, temperature control knobs, and 12 volt plugs for power.

Fleet Manager:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
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