Liquid Totes And Tanker Endorsement

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Dave D. (Armyman)'s Comment
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I heard that if you haul totes of liquid in a box, you will need to have a tanker endorsement.

Dave

ThinksTooMuch's Comment
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I think that is true because when applying for jobs I saw many postings for Dry Van companies say that tanker endorsement is REQUIRED. It must be some Federal requirement I assume.

Dry Van:

A trailer or truck that that requires no special attention, such as refrigeration, that hauls regular palletted, boxed, or floor-loaded freight. The most common type of trailer in trucking.
Dave D. (Armyman)'s Comment
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I think that is true because when applying for jobs I saw many postings for Dry Van companies say that tanker endorsement is REQUIRED. It must be some Federal requirement I assume.

I spoke to my Compliance Manager, and he told me that I would need a tanker endorsement for any load over 1,000 gallons. However, my HAZMAT endorsement should cover the bulk liquid HAZMAT load.

Dave

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

Dry Van:

A trailer or truck that that requires no special attention, such as refrigeration, that hauls regular palletted, boxed, or floor-loaded freight. The most common type of trailer in trucking.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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It says in the CDL manual:

A “tank vehicle” is used to carry any liquid or gaseous material in a tank that is permanently or temporarily attached to the vehicle or chassis. However, this does not include portable tanks with a rated capacity of less than 1,000 gallons.

Yap, so there ya go. As long as the liquid is not in one single container of 1000 gallons or more you do not need a tanker endorsement.

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.
Dave D. (Armyman)'s Comment
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It says in the CDL manual:

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A “tank vehicle” is used to carry any liquid or gaseous material in a tank that is permanently or temporarily attached to the vehicle or chassis. However, this does not include portable tanks with a rated capacity of less than 1,000 gallons.

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Yap, so there ya go. As long as the liquid is not in one single container of 1000 gallons or more you do not need a tanker endorsement.

Brett,

Our "friends" at FMSCA made a change THIS YEAR. Basically, if I haul totes of 100 gallons or more and they EQUAL or EXCEED 1,000 total, then I need a tanker endorsement.

______ FMCSA. Just another hoop I have to jump through. Don't get me wrong. I get it. I get the honor and privilege of taking time off work to get the tanker endorsement.

Dave

CDL:

Commercial Driver's License (CDL)

A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:

  • Any combination of vehicles with a gross combined weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 or more pounds, providing the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 pounds.
  • Any vehicle, regardless of size, designed to transport 16 or more persons, including the driver.
  • Any vehicle required by federal regulations to be placarded while transporting hazardous materials.

CSA:

Compliance, Safety, Accountability (CSA)

The CSA is a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) initiative to improve large truck and bus safety and ultimately reduce crashes, injuries, and fatalities that are related to commercial motor vehicle

FMCSA:

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration

The FMCSA was established within the Department of Transportation on January 1, 2000. Their primary mission is to prevent commercial motor vehicle-related fatalities and injuries.

What Does The FMCSA Do?

  • Commercial Drivers' Licenses
  • Data and Analysis
  • Regulatory Compliance and Enforcement
  • Research and Technology
  • Safety Assistance
  • Support and Information Sharing

Fm:

Dispatcher, Fleet Manager, Driver Manager

The primary person a driver communicates with at his/her company. A dispatcher can play many roles, depending on the company's structure. Dispatchers may assign freight, file requests for home time, relay messages between the driver and management, inform customer service of any delays, change appointment times, and report information to the load planners.
Brett Aquila's Comment
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Oh I didn't know that. Ok cool.

Really what's interesting about it is that it really doesn't matter how much liquid you have onboard when it comes to the way the vehicle handles. What really matters is how much empty space is there for the liquid to slosh around in its contains? You can have 10,000 gallons of something onboard but if it's in a 10,000 gallon tank nothing is going to move. But if you put 5,000 gallons in a 10,000 gallon tank it's going to feel like another big rig slammed into you from behind every time you hit the brakes. It's also going to want to slosh side to side and make the vehicle want to roll.

But I realize there's no practical way of basing the need for a tanker endorsement on how much free space is in the tanks, so the current system makes sense. But it's interesting to note nonetheless.

codagee's Comment
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Can I get a Hazmat , Tanker, Twic card with a Felony on my record. Its been 27 years.

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Bud A.'s Comment
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Did you switch companies, Dave? Seems like you're doing some stuff out of the ordinary.

KH's Comment
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Can I get a Hazmat , Tanker, Twic card with a Felony on my record. Its been 27 years.

I don't know a lot about it, but I think this page lists the offenses that would definitely disqualify someone: http://www.tsa.gov/disqualifying-offenses-factors

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

TWIC:

Transportation Worker Identification Credential

Truck drivers who regularly pick up from or deliver to the shipping ports will often be required to carry a TWIC card.

Your TWIC is a tamper-resistant biometric card which acts as both your identification in secure areas, as well as an indicator of you having passed the necessary security clearance. TWIC cards are valid for five years. The issuance of TWIC cards is overseen by the Transportation Security Administration and the Department of Homeland Security.

Scott M.'s Comment
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I have a question concerning the tanker endorsement. Once you get the tanker endorsement is that a one time thing or do you have to take the tanker test every four years like the hazmat test. I had a state trooper tell me once you get the tanker endorsement that was it.....it was on your license For good, no tanker test anymore.

Thanks in advance for any response

HAZMAT:

Hazardous Materials

Explosive, flammable, poisonous or otherwise potentially dangerous cargo. Large amounts of especially hazardous cargo are required to be placarded under HAZMAT regulations

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